Suppressor vs Break for .223 Varmint Rifle

[Chanse301]

So I have a .223 R700 Varmint SF with 26" fluted barrel. Just picked up a new Razor HD 5-20x scope for it with a Larue Tac. #104 QD mount. Got a killer deal off eurooptic (no tax rocks lol) so I've caught the bug again and am investing in my rifle.

As I live in Eastern Washington State, I do a lot of prairie dog, coyote, vermint hunting. Recently wanted to do something to quiet the rifle down a bit, so I figured a suppressor would work well on my bolt action. But the very spendy price tag, and having never really experienced one, I am weary to just go put money down and wait 6 months and hope it was the right choice.

The muzzle break I know will help reduce recoil and change the sound of the crack, just like the suppressor. I realize I can't get a 'movie silencer' unless i'm shooting subsonic rounds.

So what's your guys opinion. Is the silencer worth it in PDogtown? Would I be better off going and getting the barrel threaded locally and just grabbing a muzzle break? Or just say screw it and get a Xlr Element stock/chassis!

Lookin forward to some experienced answers.
Thanks for your time today! Take care!

 

[FatBoy]

It's been my expierence that a brake will make the rifle louder. A flash suppressor may not, but an actual chambered brake will.

If you want to reduce noise to a bearable level and reduce recoil a little bit a sound suppressor is nice.

Do your research. My next one will be a 30cal as I can shoot anything 30 cal and under through it. I'm torn between a Thunder beast 30p-1, a Harvester or an AE30.

Some things I learned going through the process:

Start a trust first, it's a couple hundred bucks but can save a significant amount of time and allows family to also possess the can.

Go bigger than 22 cal if your application allows, and if seems yours does

Don't get wrapped up in dB numbers, instead check reviews on POI shift with can on and off, repeatability of POI shift and how grouping if effected with the can on vs off. This will be rifle specific, but you may see a trend.

Be prepared to wait. You 6 month time period is optimistic unless your local class3 dealer has the can in stock. It took me 10 months, 2.5 to get the BATF to sign off on transferring the can from ADCO to my local shop and another 7.5 for the stamp to be processed. A trust appears to cut that down 2-2.5 months.

 

[mao0720]

I recently got my first suppressor back from ATF pergatory. It is a 31 caliber suppressor, and I use it mostly on a bolt action 308 win, but I also use it on two AR15's an AR 10 and soon to be a 243 win. The first time I took it out I spent 2 hours shooting the 4 rifles above, with no hearing protection on. Every minute of shooting was comfortable. All I can say is that I wish I would have gotten a suppressor years ago. I won't shoot my rifles without one (unless match rules at a match dictate I cant use a suppressor). I say get one, I'd be really suppressed if you don't like it.

 

[fredhorace77]

im getting into the suppressor game soon and im going with the 30 cal can harvester. awesome reviews for a buy one fits most can. and at $750 for titanium suppressor who can complain. i just wish they made it in a shorter package for my truck gun.

 

[rockcreek1]

Chanse301,

I would go with a suppressor. My recommendations would be:


Thunderbeast Arms-Ultra 9 or Ultra 7(new version of 30P-1 & 30PS)
NFA Gun Trust, set up by lawyer
Barrel Threading-Mark @ Short Action Customs


JMHO,
Jim

 

[bheadboy]

help me in my lack of knowledge, what is and why the Trust?

Bob

 

[rockcreek1]

Google "NFA Gun Trust".

 

[X-Caveman]

1. get a titanium 30 cal can
2. Get a mirage cover. I prefer Armageddon Gear
3. Do it NOW Wait times are around 6 months and who knows how long the current rules will last
4. enjoy. you'll be glad you diid -Even though you'll be out $2k and 6mos.

Muzzle brakes are good thread protectors, sIlencers make shooting more enjoyable and should help preserve our rights to shoot and hunt by mitigating excessive noise. I've found them to have no negative effects on accuracy, and in some cases, actually improve my ability to shoot accurately. You just have to manage the mirage in long strings of fire.

 

[Chanse301]

Do your research. My next one will be a 30cal as I can shoot anything 30 cal and under through it. I'm torn between a Thunder beast ep-1, a Harvester or an AE30.

Some things I learned going through the process:

Start a trust first, it's a couple hundred bucks but can save a significant amount of time and allows family to also possess the can.

Heard that advice given a lot. Get a 30cal if you think you'll ever use it. You can always go down and be a little less quiet, but you can't move up in size.

The first time I took it out I spent 2 hours shooting the 4 rifles above, with no hearing protection on. Every minute of shooting was comfortable. All I can say is that I wish I would have gotten a suppressor years ago. I won't shoot my rifles without one (unless match rules at a match dictate I cant use a suppressor).

Exactly the kind of experience I want to hear... and have been hearing/seeing over and over.

im getting into the suppressor game soon and im going with the 30 cal can harvester. awesome reviews for a buy one fits most can. and at $750 for titanium suppressor who can complain. i just wish they made it in a shorter package for my truck gun.

I already got a 26" barrel, so a few more inches won't bug me too much I can't imagine. But, thats two to say look into a harvester. Thanks for the input!

Chanse301,

I would go with a suppressor. My recommendations would be:


Thunderbeast Arms-Ultra 9 or Ultra 7(new version of 30P-1 & 30PS)
NFA Gun Trust, set up by lawyer
Barrel Threading-Mark @ Short Action Customs


JMHO,
Jim

Thunderbeast seems to be the top of the (practical) line from what i've come across. Especially in some competitions. Half the competitors using that brand... Gotta say somethin' as to the workmanship of the company! Never thought of using a break as a protector. Would be a nice way to keep it safe while using the suppressor elsewhere!

1. get a titanium 30 cal can
2. Get a mirage cover. I prefer Armageddon Gear
3. Do it NOW Wait times are around 6 months and who knows how long the current rules will last
4. enjoy. you'll be glad you diid -Even though you'll be out $2k and 6mos.

Muzzle brakes are good thread protectors, sIlencers make shooting more enjoyable and should help preserve our rights to shoot and hunt by mitigating excessive noise. I've found them to have no negative effects on accuracy, and in some cases, actually improve my ability to shoot accurately. You just have to manage the mirage in long strings of fire.

Hah. Pretty much summed up the plan after this thread. Gonna go look locally and see if any dealers around here have a can. Nut up and put the money down now, so I'll have it for at least some of summer this year. Mirage cover I have not heard of. I'm assuming its just those "sleeping bags" (reminds me of pigs in a blanket ha) that cover the suppressor. Keep the mirage from the exessive heat being given off from affecting ones optics, no? Can't imagine what else it'd be? Time to research!

Thanks for your input everyone. Kinda just reinforcing what I already had a gut feeling to do. Now to pick one out!

 

[X-Caveman]

Yes. Suppressor Cover = Mirage Cover. A good one will stay in place under recoil (not move forward), then easily allow you to pull it back towards the receiver after a string of fire, thus allowing the can to cool more quickly. If you shoot more than a 1/2 dozen times in a few minutes, they'll really help. Without one, radiant heat from the silencer will obscure your view of the target. They don't cure this problem, but they certainly help.

 

[Chanse301]

Yes. Suppressor Cover = Mirage Cover. A good one will stay in place under recoil (not move forward), then easily allow you to pull it back towards the receiver after a string of fire, thus allowing the can to cool more quickly. If you shoot more than a 1/2 dozen times in a few minutes, they'll really help. Without one, radiant heat from the silencer will obscure your view of the target. They don't cure this problem, but they certainly help.

My dad always wonders where I come up with new things. If he knew how to use a computer, all his truck projects woulda been done years ago. Good to know. I'll be sure to look for one when I look for a can.

Go with a .30 cal so pops can thread his .308 if he wishes and use it. I'll have to look into getting a trust too. I figured there would be stipulations on letting a family member use it. If I registered it under myself (fingerprints etc), I would have to be in his presence for him to use it, correct? Couldn't legally take it to hunt while i'm off at school without a trust.

 

[fredhorace77]

yes i believe u are correct. serial number of suppressor is registered to the applicant only. most of the dealers that I know in my area normally have a demo unit of each type they carry so you can try em out before you buy them. and normaly if you tell them ur wants and needs along with ur budget, they are normaly spot on with their recommendations.
give this guy a call, he carries and shoots almost every suppressor made. think his name is brian, very helpful over the phone.

Major Malfunction's Munitions
Gun Shop
2077 Long Trail Court, Edmond, OK 73012
(918) 808-3661

https://m.facebook.com/pages/MAJOR-MALFUNCTIONS-MUNITIONS/249594332018

 

[mao0720]

Look into the bowers suppressor covers. They are silicone instead of heat resistant fabric, and do a better job of reducing mirage... And they don't melt.

 

[nosualc]

If they were legal where I live, I'd go with the suppressor in a heartbeat.

-nosualc

 

[Chanse301]

yes i believe u are correct. serial number of suppressor is registered to the applicant only. most of the dealers that I know in my area normally have a demo unit of each type they carry so you can try em out before you buy them. and normaly if you tell them ur wants and needs along with ur budget, they are normaly spot on with their recommendations.
give this guy a call, he carries and shoots almost every suppressor made. think his name is brian, very helpful over the phone.

Major Malfunction's Munitions
Gun Shop
2077 Long Trail Court, Edmond, OK 73012
(918) 808-3661

https://m.facebook.com/pages/MAJOR-MALFUNCTIONS-MUNITIONS/249594332018

Will do! Thanks for your help. Greatly appreciated.

Look into the bowers suppressor covers. They are silicone instead of heat resistant fabric, and do a better job of reducing mirage... And they don't melt.

Oh lord would I be pissed to smell something melting onto my new toy. Will be sure to look into a quality one. Thx.

If they were legal where I live, I'd go with the suppressor in a heartbeat.

-nosualc

Originally, that's what I was gonna do. But I couldn't figure it out and ended up grabbin' a scope as an impulse buy. Figured i'd have it now and my father could use it all the same. Suppressor will be nice to share with em' as well though!

 

[scott_at_vortex]

I would go with a Silencerco Omega or a Silencerco Harvester. Silencerco cans are the only cans I have used that dont have what I call "cold can shift". That is to say most cans will throw the first round everytime the can has 15min or so to cool down. Silencerco cans do not exhibit this problem. Probably because a lot of the guys at Silencerco are competitive shooters and hunters so they know the importance of the first round hitting in the same spot of the rest.

I have been running the Harvester for a year now, in competitions and it is great. The muzzlebreak at the end of the can really works well and doesnt make the can any louder. The big bore Harvester actually makes shooting a 338 lapua pleasurable, it really reduces recoil. The omega is new, but it is performing just like any other Silencerco can and I have switched to it as it is shorter than the Harvester.

Anyhow, that is my experience. Let me know if I can help in anyway.


Scott

 

[Chanse301]

I would go with a Silencerco Omega or a Silencerco Harvester. Silencerco cans are the only cans I have used that dont have what I call "cold can shift". That is to say most cans will throw the first round everytime the can has 15min or so to cool down. Silencerco cans do not exhibit this problem. Probably because a lot of the guys at Silencerco are competitive shooters and hunters so they know the importance of the first round hitting in the same spot of the rest.

I have been running the Harvester for a year now, in competitions and it is great. The muzzlebreak at the end of the can really works well and doesnt make the can any louder. The big bore Harvester actually makes shooting a 338 lapua pleasurable, it really reduces recoil. The omega is new, but it is performing just like any other Silencerco can and I have switched to it as it is shorter than the Harvester.

Anyhow, that is my experience. Let me know if I can help in anyway.


Scott

I'm sold. Third(?) person to recommend it, took a break from studying and saw the video on their site going through all the different guns and calibers. Haven't noticed one with a built in break like that I don't think. Pretty damn neat.

 

[Phil]

YHM Supressor.

 

[1shot]

While all the talk on this thread is about the suppressor and related hardware, I will tell you a very aggravating story. I have been waiting 13+ months for a can that arrived at my dealer on July 2013. Why so long you ask? Because the dealer took 47 days to mail a form 4 from half way across Ohio. Then he didn't turn the completed form from 2 sided to one as the ATF requires. Had I not been proactive, my paperwork would have been denied and I would have started over. Now bear in mind that this is a top end can that was fully paid for as well as the $200.00 stamp. I will tell you that the ATF people that I dealt with were very helpful and pleasant to deal with, once they heard my story. Just last week, I received word from the dealer that he got the paperwork and I was free to pick up my can. All I'm telling you guys is research your dealer like you do you suppressor. Please refrain from asking who the dealer is, as I wasn't raised that way.
Lloyd

 

[FatBoy]

While all the talk on this thread is about the suppressor and related hardware, I will tell you a very aggravating story. I have been waiting 13+ months for a can that arrived at my dealer on July 2013. Why so long you ask? Because the dealer took 47 days to mail a form 4 from half way across Ohio. Then he didn't turn the completed form from 2 sided to one as the ATF requires. Had I not been proactive, my paperwork would have been denied and I would have started over. Now bear in mind that this is a top end can that was fully paid for as well as the $200.00 stamp. I will tell you that the ATF people that I dealt with were very helpful and pleasant to deal with, once they heard my story. Just last week, I received word from the dealer that he got the paperwork and I was free to pick up my can. All I'm telling you guys is research your dealer like you do you suppressor. Please refrain from asking who the dealer is, as I wasn't raised that way.
Lloyd

This is a good point, as is researching yours sheriff's opinion/actions. Our local sheriff turned my paperwork around in 24 hours. My brother lives in Tucson and it's my understanding that they had to sue that guy as he was notorious for sitting on paperwork forever, causing the state to pass a law requiring him to process it in 30 days or it's automatically approved.

Point being, if you have a huge Lib sheriff that feels he has the right to trample on your rights , go through a trust. Then find a decent person to run against his ***.