Suppressor for F-Open Class

[Kurz]

I know by reading the above that I'm swimming against the current but I really don't care for anything that TBAC sells.

However, I do use the Sandman brand of suppressors which I like immensely.

• DEAD AIR SANDMAN-K

Yes, this is one of their adaptive suppressors which I use on several rifles, preventing me from having to thread and unthread every time I choose to shoot another rifle. This can wear on threads when interchanged with some frequency.

• DEAD AIR SANDMAN-TI

The Dead Air Sandman-Ti is a full size suppressor that utilizes a titanium build to provide shooters lightweight accuracy. This titanium suppressor model in the Dead Air Sandman line comes in at just 16.8 ounces and is a full 8.2 inches long. With a titanium outer tube, welded Stellite baffle core and replaceable endcap, this Dead Air silencer offers superior maneuverability and transport.

Forging its own path, the Dead Air Sandman Ti is a direct-thread suppressor and is at home on precision rifles with no minimum barrel restrictions. With the Sandman Ti, the Dead Air team rounds out the distinguished line of Sandman suppressors with a featherweight champion, that has incredible durability.

Rapid Fire​

• Multi-caliber rated up to .300 Win Mag
• Weight: 16.8 ounces
• Length: 8.2 inches
• Build Material: Titanium outer tube; Stellite baffles
• Finish: Matte black Cerakote

I also used the Silencerco Harverster 300 for several years. You should do some some serious looking around, investigating the availability of direct thread suppressors. Supplies of suppressors, like powders and primers are selling fast but you should make an educated selection rather than rushing into a blind purchase.

Enjoy!

 

[Aeon]

Why? Are you planning to call and mess with me? I’d like to think this rather small forum of people can trust each other with phone numbers. Point taken though.

sooooo @Dave M. this is not a small community, The anti gun folks are on here, So are a lot of other people. Google indexes you almost instantly and forever. So do spiders from china and Russia and all over. You might be ok with Chicoms having your number?

Google Search

now i am not a tinfoil hat kinda guy but you will notice no one puts their number out here. You might also get spam calls since the same bots that crawl the web looking for email address also look for phone numbers blah blah blah....

if you feel driven to give our your number in public then i suggest you get a disposable number from lets say google voice or grasshopper or some other service. Then if you get to much bs you can just roate the number and move on. The interwebs are a scary place just tryin to keep ya safe

 

[NZ_Fclass]

In New Zealand, surpressors are not only "legal" for FTR and F-Open, they are encouraged. A few, mainly FTR shooters use them. We have no specific law around their purchase/use , so very common amongst hunters and a healthy local industry has produced so excellent devices. It may be time for the NRA to have a look at their regulations - can anyone suggest why surpressor use is a bad thing?

 

[KY_Windage]

Those baffles look brand new. I did read that the Banish 30 claims some rather unbelievable db reduction that were not able to be reproduced by third party testing labs.

Yup, and they had been cleaned several times. I have no doubt you read that but it was not written by some "third party testing lab," it was written by a competitor trying to win market share by spreading lies about the competition on the Internet, something one particular company does regularly. It is BS. I have shot my Banish suppressors alongside just about every other suppressor made, and when compared "apples to apples" the Banish suppress noise as well or better than anything made. All you have to do is remove all hearing protection and stand 25 feet behind people shooting a couple (or more) suppressors shooting the same loads -- you can easily hear how well each suppresses.

Removable baffles are not "necessary for CF?" No, but one thing you learn pretty quickly once you shoot suppressors a lot is that the closer the diameter of the baffle holes is to the bullet diameter, the better the noise suppression. And the more baffles you have the better the noise suppression.

But it is real easy to exceed the manufacturer's maximum rate of fire, especially on a lightweight can, because they use thin baffles, and by doing so, to get fire erosion of the rear-most baffles. It eats the hole out and enlarges it. Then you aren't getting quite as much suppression as you were when it was new. And like I said, if that happens to me it is very simple and cheap to fix, because all I have to do is buy a replacement baffle.

I don't HAVE to ever clean my Banish suppressors. I could just let them fill up with carbon, to the point that they weigh 50-75% more than when new, like the owners of welded cans do. Or spend hours shaking toxic chemicals through the cans trying to get SOME of the carbon out. Or mail the can in for a free cleaning and wonder if it is going to get lost coming or going.

But I have gone several hundred rounds w/o cleaning, so I know how carbon can build up in a can. It is a LOT, and it can and will break off in big chunks, and every now and then, while rare, one of those free chunks can lodge in a baffle hole and a can that never had a problem before with that load will suddenly "ka-boom" on you, splitting the can. That and the weight-gain, or hassle trying to clean it yourself, are just not things I am going to put up with. The ONLY drawback to a removable-baffle can is that all that precision-machining makes them cost a little more. To me it is well worth it.

Then there are also advantages like, with my Banish 30, I got both a 7" suppressor for hunting and a 9" suppressor for range work, all in the same unit for the price of one. I know welded can owners who have bought two cans to get that kind of flexibility. If I want to switch from 7" to 9" I just remove the end cap and screw the 2" extension on.

Look, I'm just a customer who never even talks to anybody at Silencer Central, and I think the owner was dumb to change the company's name from Dakota Silencer. And they do not build squat themselves -- they contract with a machine shop in Sturgis to build and repair their products.

But their designs are great, and the shop in Sturgis is as good as it gets.

 

[Warren Dean]

... It may be time for the NRA to have a look at their regulations - can anyone suggest why surpressor use is a bad thing?

Yes. Not everyone can obtain a suppressor here. Gov't paperwork, $200 stamp for possession and damned expensive piece of kit here. Anywhere from $800 to $2000+

Since not everyone can get one, it would be a huge unfair advantage for the suppressor shooters and that is how it has been explained to me by NRA folks.

 

[spclark]

Warren that explanation is what I remember hearing several years ago. Supressors in Illinois? Fat Chance!

Has our NRA said anything about holding registered matches this year? Or accepting scores fired? I haven’t been keeping close track; my interest in shooting’s been diminished the past couple of years.

 

[KY_Windage]

If you continue to do some research on suppressors (I’d also recommend over on Snipers Hide as they have a huge section devoted to just that) you will find out the pitfalls of take apart cans and that it’s not needed for center fire. I’ll let you do your own research as it’s a touchy subject for some.

What happens with regard to "take apart" cans on Snipers Hide is exactly the same thing Nancy Pelosi did to Donald Trump. There are "pitfalls" to take apart cans the same way Trump colluded with Russia -- it is BS spread by cheaters, but if it is said long and loud enough . . .

 

[Warren Dean]

Warren that explanation is what I remember hearing several years ago. Supressors in Illinois? Fat Chance!

Has our NRA said anything about holding registered matches this year? Or accepting scores fired? I haven’t been keeping close track; my interest in shooting’s been diminished the past couple of years.

Your guess is as good as mine. not a clue.

 

[Buzz]

I’ve bought into the Griffin system. I know they’re not as popular as TBAC and some others that are pushed on SH, but I’ve found their taper lock system to be very repeatable. I switch it around between a few different rifles and haven’t had any POI shift between sessions. There is some shift with/without the can but it’s repeatable. The brakes are pretty effective on their own as well.

I don’t make a habit of shooting without earpro at the range or shooting recreationally, but I use a 30 cal (Recce7) on my 18” 6.5x47L while hunting and it’s deep tone is very easy on the ears. A dedicated 6.5 can might be a little better, but not sure if your ears would know the difference. They have their new EXPLORR cans out in both 6.5 and 30 cal. They’re a little more compact and lighter. I’m between that and a true K can for hunting.

 

[Delfuego]

Thunder Beast is the best. They are better made and a better company. Maybe look at the Ultra 9.

 

[Dave M.]

Yes. Not everyone can obtain a suppressor here. Gov't paperwork, $200 stamp for possession and damned expensive piece of kit here. Anywhere from $800 to $2000+

Since not everyone can get one, it would be a huge unfair advantage for the suppressor shooters and that is how it has been explained to me by NRA folks.

Unfair advantage for sure...LOL. That’s how I felt at the 1000 yard Michigan State Championship last year when I was the ONLY competitor to pull a stock rifle out of my case. That sort of felt unfair too.

 

[FatBoy]

Though I am all for allowing suppressors in all competition, you are almost certainly going to find at the pace a Highpower match is shot that heat mitigation is impossible and you are going to start climbing as the string goes on. I believe it’s due to heat and additional barrel fouling but I can’t say for sure.

I run a TBAC 30-P1 and it’s a wonderful can, though old tech compared to what’s out there now. If you plan on competing with anything larger than a 308win, consider going to the 338 Ultra. If I had the coin, that’s what my 300WMs would wear, though the 30-P1 does well.

Edit: the argument that not everyone can get one so the NRA shouldn’t allow them is BS. Guess they need to stop allowing AR-15 for across the course matches. Expensive, yes but not as expesive as a Seb Neo rest. Anyone care to guess how many of those are on the line any given day? This is why the NRA is about to fade away. They can’t get out of their own way.

 

[Warren Dean]

Here we go again.... Every so often someone comes along whining about the F Class rules and how unfair they are and blah, blah, blah. If you don't like the rules, go play another game. F Class is an established discipline with its own unique rules and equipment. Changing the rules to allow suppressors into FTR or any other bastardization of F Class in general is just a symptom of "entitled" thinking. Lord knows there are plenty of other games out there where your preferred equipment is competitive.

Leave F Class alone and quit whining about it not being "fair". You aren't special.

 

[MikeMcCasland]

When COVID first kicked off and the NRA wasn't recognizing results from any matches, I shot a "fun" match with a can attached to a "kinda sorta F-T/R rifle"....obviously it's not a dedicated rig, but it had an F-T/R chamber, and a 30" HV tube.

It wasn't quite the experience I thought it was going to be. I arrived with a "cleaned down to bare metal" barrel that needed to be fouled out before going for record. I think I shot like ~32 rounds with sighters included for the first match? I remember looking over at my rifle in the rack a while later, and you could still see mirage pouring off the barrel lol.

I remember after round 15, it was like trying to shoot through a waterfall.

Even if they were legal for competitive use in the US, I probably wouldn't run them unless it was proven by the rest of the field that there were a significant advantage. Too much heat IMO, and it's basically a barrel tuner that's gradually increasing in weight over time...I have enough variables to manage as is.

I do agree that TBAC make the best cans for precision oriented rigs. I'm just a lowly SiCo peasant.

 

[Dave M.]

Here we go again.... Every so often someone comes along whining about the F Class rules and how unfair they are and blah, blah, blah. If you don't like the rules, go play another game. F Class is an established discipline with its own unique rules and equipment. Changing the rules to allow suppressors into FTR or any other bastardization of F Class in general is just a symptom of "entitled" thinking. Lord knows there are plenty of other games out there where your preferred equipment is competitive.

Leave F Class alone and quit whining about it not being "fair". You aren't special.

I’m certainly not whining, but I don’t think you were referring to me. I know I have a disadvantage in the F open class trying to compete on a budget, but I also realize that my goal every time I go out is to beat my personal best; not to beat the guys that have 20+ years of additional experience and unlimited funds

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Yes. Not everyone can obtain a suppressor here. Gov't paperwork, $200 stamp for possession and damned expensive piece of kit here. Anywhere from $800 to $2000+

Since not everyone can get one, it would be a huge unfair advantage for the suppressor shooters and that is how it has been explained to me by NRA folks.

Thank you. On the heat thing- we shoot the UK style of FTR - so 2 Sighters/10 scoring.

 

[D-4297]

Sighters , and 20 rounds at BA in July , or August ? You could cook your lunch during pit change .

 

[Leeman]

Thank you. On the heat thing- we shoot the UK style of FTR - so 2 Sighters/10 scoring.

UK style is two or three to a target, 45 sec a shot, 2s, 10, 15 or 20 for record. You guys shoot strings, 2s, 10 or 15 for record, with a time allowance, so a bit different.

 

[22DASHER]

Suppressors anyone?

 

[sawcarver]

Unfair advantage for sure...LOL. That’s how I felt at the 1000 yard Michigan State Championship last year when I was the ONLY competitor to pull a stock rifle out of my case. That sort of felt unfair too.

Dave, you werent the only competitor shooting a factory gun at that match. There were also "custom" (savage actions with prefit barrels) that the owners prob have less into than your stock rifle. The rifle helps but a mediocre rifle in the hands of a high master is going to win everytime over a new guy with an unlimited budget