Step out of your comfort zone

[Ledd Slinger]

Brandon, you dont follow me too well. Thats not a rude comment. It is a compliment. Just think about what I wrote. They come up with something good because they are not bound by bad habits some might have. They test things that some of us may think we "know" doesnt work. They dont "know" bad habits. You think I would make a rude comment about the group of guys I made this post to praise? We are learning new things because of them. Come on Its type, sometimes hard to make your point or express a little sarcasm. Lets assume guys are not all trying to be rude or arrogant. I personally dont have the time and usually write or answer in short to the point replies. If everything needs to be a long drawn out explanation with lots of smiley faces so you know Im being nice, I will need to quit posting.

I see it how you meant to say it. My apologies. The post makes more sense now.

 

[dcali]

It's not so much experience, but apathy or a stubborn attitude that holds people back. I find that the more knowledge I accumulate, the better I shoot. But knowledge is not permanent - you have to be willing to let go of some of it if new knowledge renders the old incorrect or obsolete. Today's innovation is tomorrow's history.

 

[jimmymac]

you should know that n133 is do "good" that they pay a guy to teach people how to load/tune with it.
now you need to try lt32 and lt31.

Can you clarify? Not sure what you mean by do "good".

I have some LT-32. Just haven't got around to using it. Same with LT-30.

 

[retired]

you just need to talk to more 6ppc shooters,
three camps
1) try to learn how to tune 133
2) lt30/31/32 or 322
3) something else

it is my understanding, from reading, that n133 works. some lots better than others and requires SKILL in tuning for condition changes.

Can you clarify? Not sure what you mean by do "good".

I have some LT-32. Just haven't got around to using it. Same with LT-30.

 

[jimmymac]

you just need to talk to more 6ppc shooters,
three camps
1) try to learn how to tune 133
2) lt30/31/32 or 322
3) something else

it is my understanding, from reading, that n133 works. some lots better than others and requires SKILL in tuning for condition changes.

Thanks for that. I've only shot one match in my life. It was the Hogroast last month. I finished mid pack. The vast majority were shooting 133 just like I was. It seemed to me that guys tinkered with powder most of the weekend with varying degrees of success. I did too, but kept coming back to the 28.6 load because it was the best I had.

In the end, I got the distinct impression that most guys didn't have it figured out. The top 15 or so most likely did.

 

[jamesdmock]

Can you clarify? Not sure what you mean by do "good".

I have some LT-32. Just haven't got around to using it. Same with LT-30.

Before one is TOO hard on N133, maybe he/she should look at the equipment list for this past Super Shoot. N133 dominated and was used by Tony Boyer to win his 7th SS. Good shooting...James

 

[retired]

james, i was just saying it is not a follow the leader powder/load.
you have to tune and stay on top of your tune.
and they did hire a guy to teach people how.

Before one is TOO hard on N133, maybe he/she should look at the equipment list for this past Super Shoot. N133 dominated and was used by Tony Boyer to win his 7th SS. Good shooting...James

 

[jimmymac]

Before one is TOO hard on N133, maybe he/she should look at the equipment list for this past Super Shoot. N133 dominated and was used by Tony Boyer to win his 7th SS. Good shooting...James

Not sure why you quoted my post. I wasn't being hard on 133. In a previous post, I merely pointed out the fact that I can shoot N133 and H322 equally.

 

[DHuffman]

This looks like someone combined two different threads to save space. LOL One group talking about attitude and an open minded desire to learn and then a raging powder debate thrown in for good measure so it doesn't get boring.

 

[jamesdmock]

Not sure why you quoted my post. I wasn't being hard on 133. In a previous post, I merely pointed out the fact that I can shoot N133 and H322 equally.

My mistake Jimmy. It was not intended to be directed to you and I did not want to be argumentative with anyone, but N133 is a great powder for the PPC's (both .22 and 6mm). Good shooting.....James

 

[hogpatrol]

Step out of your comfort zone. Throw that cheap brass in the scrap bucket and buy some custom bullets.

 

[Stan Taylor]

Step out of your comfort zone. Throw that cheap brass in the scrap bucket and buy some custom bullets.

We'll you know every time I go to a match to shoot competitive I learn something new from the pro's down to the rookies an it is beast to pay attention an Hogpatrol if you don't have good bullets an a decent barrel you will go home a little humble getting your butt smoked by someone that's learning the game.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Step out of your comfort zone. Throw that cheap brass in the scrap bucket and buy some custom bullets.

Funny you mention that. Have you had trouble getting ahold of some of these custom bullet makers? I can't get an email response from Vapor Trail to save my life. Couldnt get an answer on the phone either. Wanting to try some of his 30 cal 207gr but if its going to be this much of a hassle getting my hands on those projectiles its not worth it. Got enough hassles finding other reloading components as it is. Wish Vapor Trail would line up with a reliable mainstream distributor like Midway or Midsouth to take the PITA factor out of getting my hands on them.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

One thing you may not know is vapor trail is really one man making each bullet. Thats why they are so good and will always be a long wait. And yes, everyone waits.

 

[Stan Taylor]

Funny you mention that. Have you had trouble getting ahold of some of these custom bullet makers? I can't get an email response from Vapor Trail to save my life. Couldnt get an answer on the phone either. Wanting to try some of his 30 cal 207gr but if its going to be this much of a hassle getting my hands on those projectiles then to hell with em. I'm not going to deal with a company if they dont want to respond to customer requests in a timely manner. Got enough hassles finding other reloading components as it is. Wish Vapor Trail would line up with a reliable mainstream distributor like Midway or Midsouth to take the PITA factor out of getting my hands on them.

We'll I understand but be patient he is going as hard as he can go keep trying you won't be disappointed.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

We'll I understand but be patient he is going as hard as he can go keep trying you won't be disappointed.

Yeah his bullets are in high demand. Hopefully he can expand production someday to keep up with the demand. Of course thats easier said than done and still maintain the quality. I'll keep trying every now and again. Maybe one day I'll finally get my hands on some. Thanks for the input.

 

[Tim Singleton]

Yeah his bullets are in high demand. Hopefully he can expand production someday to keep up with the demand. Of course thats easier said than done and still maintain the quality. I'll keep trying every now and again. Maybe one day I'll finally get my hands on some. Thanks for the input.

I don't want to derail this further but
I didn't understand myself until doing it.
Please do give these custom bullet makers some extra time and order a year in advance. Until you do it you will never understand the amount of time effort and expense that is put in. We are also held hostage by the jacket manufacturers. Once you get a new lot of the long awaited jackets you have to test them to make sure they are up to your standards
Just be glad they don't up and decide just to make them for themselves only

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I don't want to derail this further but
I didn't understand myself until doing it.
Please do give these custom bullet makers some extra time and order a year in advance. Until you do it you will never understand the amount of time effort and expense that is put in. We are also held hostage by the jacket manufacturers. Once you get a new lot of the long awaited jackets you have to test them to make sure they are up to your standards
Just be glad they don't up and decide just to make them for themselves only

Yeah I've seen every part of the process. Paid a visit to James Calhoon a handful of years ago. Just him and his wife hanging out in the garage making one bullet at a time in hand operated mechanical and hydraulic presses. Pretty cool, but definitely nothing fast about the operation.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Thanks for that. I've only shot one match in my life. It was the Hogroast last month. I finished mid pack. The vast majority were shooting 133 just like I was. It seemed to me that guys tinkered with powder most of the weekend with varying degrees of success. I did too, but kept coming back to the 28.6 load because it was the best I had.

In the end, I got the distinct impression that most guys didn't have it figured out. The top 15 or so most likely did.

Just learn to use a tuner. It's much easier.

 

[linekin]

I started score shooting last year & pretty much followed the leaders in my choice of the 30br. That's what I was told I needed. Glad I did as it seems to be a very forgiving cartridge, especially for a beginning reloader like myself.

Keith