slip 2000
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CatShooter
gunamonth said:
Me neither...
I bought some because EVERYBODY swore by it, but I'm totally unimpressed with it, and it is now on the special "failed to work" shelf with all the other miracle gun chemicals that were ineffective.
"Slip2000 Carbon Killer's main ingredient is water.
You got that right!!!
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CatShooter
I think the problem with a lot of these cleaners is...
First, real "Carbon" is not soluble in anything, and cannot be dissolved in anything. That's a basic chemical fact!
Second, the black crap is only partly Carbon - it's mostly ash that is composed of primer residue, some carbon, and unburnt/condensed nitrocellulose vapor and other transitional nitrogen chain compounds, and there are probably dozens of them.
Most of these things are only soluble in solvents based on petroleum based solvents like Kerosene, Benzene, Nitro-Benzene, Toluene, etc.
Based on what's in the cleaners now,and what the Gubbament has taken out of our real barrel cleaners in the last ten years)...
... I'm not so sure that it CAN be removed with any of the current "Magical Jooces"... I think it gets down to old fashioned elbow grease.
I keep hearing folks tout some new stuff, but when it's tried, it falls off the radar screen after a year or two... and then a new one pops up.
There is such a lucrative market for bore cleaners,they cost about 50 cents a gallon to make) that it's like making "Herbal medicines"... everyone keeps hoping for a new miracle, and every Tom, Dick and Harry keeps dreaming up a new brand of snake oil every 6 months :, :, :,
... and we keep praying.
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First, real "Carbon" is not soluble in anything, and cannot be dissolved in anything. That's a basic chemical fact!
Second, the black crap is only partly Carbon - it's mostly ash that is composed of primer residue, some carbon, and unburnt/condensed nitrocellulose vapor and other transitional nitrogen chain compounds, and there are probably dozens of them.
Most of these things are only soluble in solvents based on petroleum based solvents like Kerosene, Benzene, Nitro-Benzene, Toluene, etc.
Based on what's in the cleaners now,and what the Gubbament has taken out of our real barrel cleaners in the last ten years)...
... I'm not so sure that it CAN be removed with any of the current "Magical Jooces"... I think it gets down to old fashioned elbow grease.
I keep hearing folks tout some new stuff, but when it's tried, it falls off the radar screen after a year or two... and then a new one pops up.
There is such a lucrative market for bore cleaners,they cost about 50 cents a gallon to make) that it's like making "Herbal medicines"... everyone keeps hoping for a new miracle, and every Tom, Dick and Harry keeps dreaming up a new brand of snake oil every 6 months :, :, :,
... and we keep praying.
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As much as I hate to admit it:cry: my old buddy Catshooter speaks the truth on this matter.
CatShooter
SlowpokeRodriguez said:
Oh, God....
I don't believe my eyes
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Also tried "Slip 2000" when it first came on the market, 2 yrs ago ?). Was impressed, at first, how it removed the ugly black from case necks, especially those used in the ARs'. As seen, with my borescope though, did nothing to remove carbon buildup in the bore. More "Snake Oil". Used good old JB to remove carbon.
CatShooter
... and another "Snake oil" bites the dust :,
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I've talked to Greg from Slip 2000 since the product was first introduced and have done some R&D work for them in the past.
The carbon cutter does not actuly disolve the carbon fouling, but softens it so that it can be wipped, or swabed off the part in question.
The test weapons for the carbon cutter were a full auto AK-47 and German MG-34
Greg and I along with a friend who is a class 3 dealer fired the AK at knob creek until it stopped running. I forgot the round count but it was a lot!
and we fired about 5000 rounds of some real dirty yugo 8mm surplus.
after soaking the Ak's bolt carrier and the recoil booster from the 34 for about 30 to 45 minutes the carbon was wipped easilt off or was brushed off but was not disolved.
to go along with catshooter, in terms of a accurcy rifle's barrel good old fashioned elbow grease may be the best, in terms of full auto weapon systems that can readlty be field stripped and allowed to soak for a period of time, the Slip 2000 carbon cutter is a good product.
The carbon cutter does not actuly disolve the carbon fouling, but softens it so that it can be wipped, or swabed off the part in question.
The test weapons for the carbon cutter were a full auto AK-47 and German MG-34
Greg and I along with a friend who is a class 3 dealer fired the AK at knob creek until it stopped running. I forgot the round count but it was a lot!
and we fired about 5000 rounds of some real dirty yugo 8mm surplus.
after soaking the Ak's bolt carrier and the recoil booster from the 34 for about 30 to 45 minutes the carbon was wipped easilt off or was brushed off but was not disolved.
to go along with catshooter, in terms of a accurcy rifle's barrel good old fashioned elbow grease may be the best, in terms of full auto weapon systems that can readlty be field stripped and allowed to soak for a period of time, the Slip 2000 carbon cutter is a good product.
BUT did you scope the bores?? I have used the product in question before as well and it works great on muzzle brakes but bores are a different story.
Can also tell you that if the bores are chrome lined that carbon is more easily removed than on the non plated steel ones.
Can also tell you that if the bores are chrome lined that carbon is more easily removed than on the non plated steel ones.
CatShooter
Cleaning bolts and parts is WAY different from cleaning barrels.
The crud on bolts is basically dirt and crud that is not heated up and burned in...
.. the stuff in barrels is like the stuff on engine valves - it is burned on ash deposits. It is harder to soften, and must still be removed manually.
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The crud on bolts is basically dirt and crud that is not heated up and burned in...
.. the stuff in barrels is like the stuff on engine valves - it is burned on ash deposits. It is harder to soften, and must still be removed manually.
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Once again my "old buddy" :cry:hit it on the head!
CatShooter
SlowpokeRodriguez said:
Slow pokie...
You gotta stop saying those things - people are gonna start to talk
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Well maybe being in Nova Scotia last week and this week eating great seafood is making me mellow. Getting out of the 100 degree heat has been great plus saw a moose driving from Halifax to Moncton! Going to Amherst tomorrow but staying in Moncton --- this place definitely has hunting possibility's.BTW did anyone know about Para Ordinance leaving Canada for South Carolina? Talking to a friend of mine yesterday who was contacted by them about employment. To my knowledge they are the only firearms mfg up here.
CatShooter
SlowpokeRodriguez said:
What kind of car was he driving
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A Unimog!!! A cow but nonetheless she was HOT!!!
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