Sightron New 36X scope?

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Just wondering why Sightron chose to make a new 36X based off their SIII 45X from what I see it has the same features of the 45X but in 36X
I would think going up in power would be the next move. anyone's thoughts on this.

Lee

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Maybe a little wider field of view and to handle mirage better?

 

[Ned Ludd]

Sometimes less is more. Not everyone wants to run the highest magnification possible, even when it more magnification may be available on their scope. As mentioned by Kraken, the field of view becomes narrower. This can sometimes be a problem in competition depending on the size and placement of the target number boards. A crossfire is far worse than possibly dropping a point or two because you couldn't hold as tight as you wanted due to the lower mag setting. The effect of mirage can also be "amplified" by increasing magnification, and turning the magnification down will sometimes allow a clearer sight picture. With a variable magnification scope, these issues are usually not such a problem; you can adjust the magnification as desired. With a fixed power scope, there is no choice, whatever the magnification the scope has is what you have to use. Apertures that reduce the objective lens opening diameter will sometimes help with mirage, but they can also noticeably reduce the amount of transmitted light.

A couple years ago, I purchased an IOR-Valdada fixed 36X BR scope for an F-TR rifle. I usually run a Nightforce NXS 12-42x56 or Competition 15-55x52 scope at around 32X in matches. If the mag on the IOR-Valdada were any higher, I would not be able to see much of the target number boards at my home range and crossfires would definitely be the result. The 36X magnification is sufficient that I can easily hold a little better than halfway between scoring rings, or hold on one side or the other of the X-ring (i.e. under 0.25 MOA). More magnification wouldn't really be an improvement for my eyes because I don't believe that I, or my rifles, are capable of better accuracy/precision than that, even if I could hold tighter. Much of that would depend on the particular discipline or the intended use. I can imagine that higher mag would be useful in some disciplines, but perhaps Sightron has chosen to reduce the magnification as a business decision based on customer feedback. If so, you might imagine the majority of shooters using their fixed power scopes suggested a reduction in magnification might be of benefit for their particular discipline or intended use.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Sometimes less is more. Not everyone wants to run the highest magnification possible, even when it more magnification may be available on their scope. As mentioned by Kraken, the field of view becomes narrower. This can sometimes be a problem in competition depending on the size and placement of the target number boards. A crossfire is far worse than possibly dropping a point or two because you couldn't hold as tight as you wanted due to the lower mag setting. The effect of mirage can also be "amplified" by increasing magnification, and turning the magnification down will sometimes allow a clearer sight picture. With a variable magnification scope, these issues are usually not such a problem; you can adjust the magnification as desired. With a fixed power scope, there is no choice, whatever the magnification the scope has is what you have to use. Apertures that reduce the objective lens opening diameter will sometimes help with mirage, but they can also noticeably reduce the amount of transmitted light.

A couple years ago, I purchased an IOR-Valdada fixed 36X BR scope for an F-TR rifle. I usually run a Nightforce NXS 12-42x56 or Competition 15-55x52 scope at around 32X in matches. If the mag on the IOR-Valdada were any higher, I would not be able to see much of the target number boards at my home range and crossfires would definitely be the result. The 36X magnification is sufficient that I can easily hold a little better than halfway between scoring rings, or hold on one side or the other of the X-ring (i.e. under 0.25 MOA). More magnification wouldn't really be an improvement for my eyes because I don't believe that I, or my rifles, are capable of better accuracy/precision than that, even if I could hold tighter. Much of that would depend on the particular discipline or the intended use. I can imagine that higher mag would be useful in some disciplines, but perhaps Sightron has chosen to reduce the magnification as a business decision based on customer feedback. If so, you might imagine the majority of shooters using their fixed power scopes suggested a reduction in magnification might be of benefit for their particular discipline or intended use.

Thanks Ned, great information. I guess for me being a RFBR shooter and not shooting past 100yds. I generally look for the most power. but your explanation makes a lot of sense.

Lee

 

[dstoenner]

The older S2 36x was pretty dim and hard to get behind ( i shoot indoors). So if this new 36x is a 36x45 ED then yes this is a BIG step. I have the 45x45 ED and do like. Still a little trouble to get behind but it is crystal clear. The 1/10 moa clicks are really nice along with a 30mm tube.


I too shot Fclass and most of the time have my 8-32x56 NF sitting at 32 unless it gets really bad in a NC summer. @Ned Ludd was right on.

 

[Fast14riot]

Seems this is the second upgrade to the 36x from them. I have the SII Big Sky version, which has 10moa per rev instead of the 7.5 of the regular one, a bit better light gather, too. Big jump in price, though it seems worth it, imo.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

What is Sightron’s model # on the new 36X?

 

[Lone Wolf]

Hi-NV Shooter (Lee), this is your "buddy" who bought your large Sightron "wind catching" flip-up scope covers some time back (LW SS454 at RFC) with a related question. If you strictly shot 50-yd RFBR (never 100-yds), what magnification scope (fixed) would you use, and is there anything currently made worth buying (such as the new 36x you've mentioned above?)? I did find and buy a much older model Weaver T-24x fixed, but it leaves a lot to be desired as far as clarity goes (it has a very grainy image, but being a very old model, no oil spots like the later models) among other things (such as an annoyingly tiny eyebox) being about a 40-44mm objective, but I really do like the much finer objective-parallax adjustment verses SF model scopes though. FWIW, I seem to do pretty good at 50-yds using my variable scopes set around 18x to 20x...

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Hi-NV Shooter (Lee), this is your "buddy" who bought your large Sightron "wind catching" flip-up scope covers some time back (LW SS454 at RFC) with a related question. If you strictly shot 50-yd RFBR (never 100-yds), what magnification scope (fixed) would you use, and is there anything currently made worth buying (such as the new 36x you've mentioned above?)? I did find and buy a much older model Weaver T-24x fixed, but it leaves a lot to be desired as far as clarity goes (it has a very grainy image, but being a very old model, no oil spots like the later models) among other things (such as an annoyingly tiny eyebox) being about a 40-44mm objective, but I really do like the much finer objective-parallax adjustment verses SF model scopes though. FWIW, I seem to do pretty good at 50-yds using my variable scopes set around 18x to 20x...

Hey Lone Wolf, to clarify I do shoot at 100yds., majority is at 50. currently I use Weaver XR 46X I really like the very small 1/16th dot and clarity is very good. for me I want to have the same dot and scope power for rifles I am shooting with. makes hold off easier at least for me. so to answer your question 36X would be the lowest power, but I prefer 45x
I also use the S-III 45X ED scope. prior to this I used the S-III 10-50, that is why I had those covers. one thing I have noticed is doing this time of the year when I am shooting in mid 30-40's temperatures mirage is much more noticeable even at 50 yds.

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

What is Sightron’s model # on the new 36X?

25185 is the number

 

[troupe]

I know this is a older post, but anyone have a source for a good street price for these.

Thanks in advance

 

[Schippergreg]

I know this is a older post, but anyone have a source for a good street price for these.

Thanks in advance

Message lancexxx on this site. He’s a sightron dealer.

 

[troupe]

Thanks

 

[wildcatter]

When I shot NBRSA short range 100 and 200 yard with some 300 yard non sanctioned match shooting, I found the 35 to 36 power ideal most days. I hade a 45x Leupold and found most days if the sun was out and wind wasn't brisk, it was to much power, and even a 30X would have been better. It was nice when you could use it, but more days than not I opted for less power.

I think this is aimed at 100 and 200 group and score shooters, perfect for those disciplines, and those rifles have a 10.5# light gun and 13.5# heavy gun weight restriction, most all variable scopes dip into this allotted barrel weight with their heavier weight over a fixed power glass. This why these guns shoot the shorter heavy barrels, most guns are built, then the with scope and all weighed, the barrel with its heavy contour is cut to length to make weight!

I said I was thru chasing my tail 5 or 6 years ago with short range BR, but if I get weak and build another I would look hard at this new scope in 36X, @ 20.5 ounces would just make my weight restriction for a light gun build, which is what I always shot in both light and heavy with a weight system in the stock.

Now I think they should try and curb that weight closer to 16 ounces, they would sell a bunch to them folks if they could. But 20.5 ounces with a 30mm tube and a 45mm obj is about as good as it gets, with the glass the new HD promises, then the standard reticle most preferred was the 1/8 min dot, Sightron offering a 1/10 min dot should also be popular with more shooters, I would love to try it. I think one would be hard pressed to find a better option for this class of shooting, and if get weak, this would be high on my list over any of the 45X options.

 

[Lesloan]

Seems this is the second upgrade to the 36x from them. I have the SII Big Sky version, which has 10moa per rev instead of the 7.5 of the regular one, a bit better light gather, too. Big jump in price, though it seems worth it, imo.

I have one of the SII 36x Big Sky models too. It's a really nice scope, I use it for rimfire bench rest. I have to say that I can't see a whole lot of difference between the Big Sky and the regular SII 36x (I have both, and like both). Maybe that's why the Big Sky in 36x was discontinued.