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Sightron 10-50x

Who is paying full retail though? Most seem to be selling in the $840.00 range from what I have seen of late. $40.00 profit is not much for the outlay of cash for inventory, overhead, shipping to dealer from manufacturer, etc.
Sure if the dealers were getting full retail they are making a little cash, but at the end of the day, they are not selling enough to get rich off of the sales either.
 
I would love to know who is selling these for $840 out the door.

If you can buy it.

If I was to sell them at $840 shipped I would be making $8

Figure in my time of ordering, receiving, inspecting that they were undamaged and shipping out to the customer....I'm now in the negative.

Some people have been called whores for beating others prices and as far as I'm concerned some are gouging.

To each their own, and I don't blame anybody for wanting to get the best price they can.
 
GentleBen said:
So, Larry, what you gonna do now? Are you out of the Sightron business? If so, what are you selling now that you like? I bought from you in the past and you did me good. Will you deal in Bushnell 6500 Elite, the new ones sound good, you gonna sell any of them? Please advise.

Ben
Ben I wont advertise anymore Sightrons on this site, they are still listed on my webb page. Its for sure that I'm not going to try to compete w/Sellers on this board who are in a retail business selling new goods and dont pay a cent to the management of 6BR for advertising. Larry in western Ky.
 
why 10-50x60 985.00 when 777.00 at cost, thats good mark up. 200.00 plus up. nightforce is realy bad [or is it]
 
If your going to talk price and the dealers making them, get it straight. It was SWFA and Natchez, who LOWBALLED the market. Both are Direct buy distributors, bound by contract to advertise at LIST. They screwed up the market and got caught by Sightron. Now, the customers that were willing to buy the SIII line at or near list price, and would have been happy to do so, have suddenly realized, these dealers are making a profit. Imagine that!!!
Wake up and smell the coffee. Every person or co. thats in the retail sales market is not investing thousands of dollars in product to turn around and sell it to you for cost. That system just wont work. Larry in western Ky.
 
A dealer making $200.00 on an $1000.00 item is gouging? Wow I live in a different universe than some of you. Most retail markup is double cost. No wonder gun dealers are so few and far between these days. Sorry guys, but that is not even 20% in my book. Factor in credit card sales and you drop it another 3+% after batch and processing fees. Not much profit once you subtract all the overhead costs of running a business. I am glad that I am not trying to make a living on those margins. I guess if it is a hobby business those margins are fine, but if you are planning on making a living, those margins are not much at all.
 
20% is an absolutely fair profit. $200.00 profit on a $1000.oo scope is not gauging. However, as a consumer, if someone is only willing to make $ 50.00 on that scope, thats where I send my money. I don't owe anyone a living but myself. Its everyman for himself. Kill or be killed. Survival of the fittest. If I buy from someone and he goes out of business a few weeks later because his margins were not high enough, who cares. I got mine and thats all that matters. Thats what capitalism in the U.S. is all about. No one owes me a living and I dont anyone else a living. You better get your mind straight in the new world of business. There is no such thing as customer loyalty anymore. I live it everyday. Remember, nice guys finish last.
 
That's a tragically sad post Dlong. It's all in one's state of mind and adherance to the golden rule IMO. I don't sell to people who espouse the values you embody below and I don't seek to buy from those who sell at gutter level pricing.
I avoid a whole lot of misery and miserable folks in the process.



dlong said:
20% is an absolutely fair profit. $200.00 profit on a $1000.oo scope is not gauging. However, as a consumer, if someone is only willing to make $ 50.00 on that scope, thats where I send my money. I don't owe anyone a living but myself. Its everyman for himself. Kill or be killed. Survival of the fittest. If I buy from someone and he goes out of business a few weeks later because his margins were not high enough, who cares. I got mine and thats all that matters. Thats what capitalism in the U.S. is all about. No one owes me a living and I dont anyone else a living. You better get your mind straight in the new world of business. There is no such thing as customer loyalty anymore. I live it everyday. Remember, nice guys finish last.
 
Even if the new Sightron scopes are 994.00 they are still a no frills functional long range scope and if the NF with all their fancy bells and whistles is out of your price range, then Sightron is a great candidate. I am perplexed at the amount of people selling their recently purchased 10-50 SIIIs. Can a 12-42 NF at over $365.00 more than Sightron really be worth a stiffer knob and reticle, or does something else play into this? I think some of that crap that NF charges you for is pointless, like the illuminated reticle for instance. That's why the Sightron is cool, your not forced into paying for features that you don't even need.

As for the business side of things I do like buying from knowledgeable vendors who are actually part of this sport. Its real nice to have the person on the other end of the line be able to assist you when your faced with a choice. You do end up paying for that kind of customer service. For the dealer its difficult to cater to customers who need entry level products or are looking for the best prices, this level of marketing is cut throat. It think it would be a stressful market to compete in.

The consumer has to stretch his dollars too. These aren't necessity products, they are luxury items. So the mark up will be greater. Shooting funds are often limited, it seems everything we buy in this sport the cost is at a premium, so most of us save where we can. If it works and it cost less money, why pay more? As a dealer you gotta know what your getting into and figure out what kind of customers you wanna cater to. Its easier to make profit off of people who actually have the money to spend, not the guy who's scraping his coins to buy the best he can as he's the one who will find the best price. I can see where being a Sightron dealer would be difficult.
 
True about the bells and whistles that are not needed. However, I and others view the "stiff" scope knob on the NF to be/feel more positive. You can feel what your getting opposed to a "wosh of clicks" on the Sightron which I now own. I think that plays into why some are selling the new scopes. There is also a "cool" factor at play with some brands. I just wish there was middle ground between a Sightron or NF BR and a March or S&B. I can agree with the price range difference on prototypes from NEW start up CO's but not on mass produced equipment from factories with little to no new start up costs. Same thing with stocks and actions. Are some really worth 2 or 3 times the price of others? People pay for fads. In 10 years the Sightron will cost $3,000 and be top of the line for many.
Flybuster said:
Even if the new Sightron scopes are 994.00 they are still a no frills functional long range scope and if the NF with all their fancy bells and whistles is out of your price range, then Sightron is a great candidate. I am perplexed at the amount of people selling their recently purchased 10-50 SIIIs. Can a 12-42 NF at over $365.00 more than Sightron really be worth a stiffer knob and reticle, or does something else play into this? I think some of that crap that NF charges you for is pointless, like the illuminated reticle for instance. That's why the Sightron is cool, your not forced into paying for features that you don't even need.

As for the business side of things I do like buying from knowledgeable vendors who are actually part of this sport. Its real nice to have the person on the other end of the line be able to assist you when your faced with a choice. You do end up paying for that kind of customer service. For the dealer its difficult to cater to customers who need entry level products or are looking for the best prices, this level of marketing is cut throat. It think it would be a stressful market to compete in.

The consumer has to stretch his dollars too. These aren't necessity products, they are luxury items. So the mark up will be greater. Shooting funds are often limited, it seems everything we buy in this sport the cost is at a premium, so most of us save where we can. If it works and it cost less money, why pay more? As a dealer you gotta know what your getting into and figure out what kind of customers you wanna cater to. Its easier to make profit off of people who actually have the money to spend, not the guy who's scraping his coins to buy the best he can as he's the one who will find the best price. I can see where being a Sightron dealer would be difficult.
 
If 2 distributors are selling the same scope at a $130.00 price difference. I'm buying from the guy who is $130.00 cheaper. Case closed. I work too hard for my money. Why is that bad?? I just bought a surf rod and reel from a local sporting shop. The guy in the fishing department helped me out a great deal. On a $400.00 outfit he was maybe $30.00 high. The education he gave me was worth the $30.00. Was it worth $100.00?? No, I dont think so. I dont mind paying a bit more for good PERSONAL service, but buying on the internet is strictly a commodity transaction, so I will buy from the lowest responsible supplier.
 
Recently I had a experience similar to dlong. I just purchased a slug gun from a dealer who I knew was going to be $35.00 or 5% higher than one up the road. For me the extra $35.00 was worth good customer service, as the place up the road has the rudest clerks I have ever seen!
On the other hand, If I was going to pay $140.00 extra I would have grit my teeth and went to the place up the road. I can buy a lot of slugs for $140.00. Good customer service is worth paying for, if it is within reason.
I bought my Sightron 10-50X60 from a large dealer for 853.00 including shipping.
In this country we tend to be capitalists (economics system), I would rather be a Capitalist than being a Socialist or Communist (just my opinion). If it makes me a bad person for not buying the same scope from a certain other large dealer for $995.00, I guess I am a bad person.
 
Larry D Scott is correct in the fact that it only takes a couple of the big dealers to low ball a price and to "screw the pooch" for a company like Sightron. How many sales have they lost because of this? A lot I'd bet.
However Sightron by not including a sunshade and lens caps from the git go hurt themselves too. They also should have/could have prevented that low ball pricing. Nightforce absolutely won't allow it that's why the price on a Nightforce is what it is regardless of where you look. Sightron made the above mistakes and now they and guys like Larry are paying for it unfortunately.

Danny
 
Other than the lighted reticule, and scope caps, what bells and whistles does the NF have that the Sightron don't ????????
 
I guess Nightforce scopes have regulated their prices like Callaway golf clubs. Sell below the set price and you loose your dealership. good for the dealer, bad for the consumer. Funny how Callaway is the #1 selling golf club in the world. Everyone pays the same price for that Big Bertha. Taylor Made is the same I believe. I just wait and buy last years club. Just got a Taylor Made Burner driver for $129.00 from Dicks yesterday. Price for that last years model was the same everywhere. Now that I think of it, golf clubs are a lot cheaper than guns.
 

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