Sighting-in ?

[Hammer]

In shotgun and pistol shooting no one would expect a gun sighted-in by another person to be even close for a different shooter.

In trapshooting with shotguns having adjustable combs, butt plates, and ribs the "sighting-in" that produces a 100 Straight for one shooter may produce "D" class scores for another equally skilled trapshooter. Some shooters float the clay target and use a very high pattern -- sort of a six o'clock hold -- whereas others shoot a very flat version -- an X-ring hold. They're not "aiming" per se, but the fit of the gun is made different for the different point of impacts.


Is it different for competition rifle shooters ?

If a 1,000 yard benchrest rifle shooter is able to put 10 shots in the 10-ring and there is no change in the wind conditions, should another equally skilled shooter still be at least on paper with the same rifle, ammo, and benchrest setup at a 1,000 yards ?

 

[JLT]

On paper? Sure. Same results, probably (almost certainly) not. Rifle handling has an effect on POI and we all handle our rifles a little, or a lot, differently.

 

[Sniper338]

Negative.

 

[Lou Tenant]

I'm not a great 1k yard shooter, but I have tried several rifles set up for other shooters and I was able to hit the target with consistency. Given your parameters it's doable.
Sounds like another trapshooter is dabbling in precision long range shooting.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Of course it would work. As long as both shooters ensure parallax has been adjusted correctly on the scope during sighting and shooting. In 1K bench rest, there isn't much influence on the rifle from the shooter once it is set up in the rest to track on the target. Basically squeeze the trigger then nudge the rifle back into battery where it will be right back on target. The rifles damn near shoot themselves. Not much skill required to shoot them. Great skill in the machining, handloading, gunsmithing, and setting up the rest to track is what really wins those matches.

I won a relay shooting someone else's rifle at 1K on short notice. Piece of cake.

 

[Mark204]

I say it can be done and here's my reasoning behind my statement. Back in August I went to a shoot at Benchrest out side of St. Louis, I went as a spectator. I met Immmike and after talking, I kind a shadowed him the rest of the day, (no I'm not a stalker). This was a 600yd shoot and Mike kept saying you wanna shoot, you wanna shoot and to be honest I had never shoot 600yds, let alone with a gun I was totally unfamiliar with. A little voice inside my head was saying don't do it, you're gonna make yourself look stupid. So when Mike finished his last round he looked at me and said get down there, there are 3 rounds left. So I did and Mike got down there with me and walked me through the adjustments on his rest and then I shot. Two 10's and a 9, so yeah, me thinks it can be done.


Mark

 

[gotcha]

I say it can be done and here's my reasoning behind my statement. Back in August I went to a shoot at Benchrest out side of St. Louis, I went as a spectator. I met Immmike and after talking, I kind a shadowed him the rest of the day, (no I'm not a stalker). This was a 600yd shoot and Mike kept saying you wanna shoot, you wanna shoot and to be honest I had never shoot 600yds, let alone with a gun I was totally unfamiliar with. A little voice inside my head was saying don't do it, you're gonna make yourself look stupid. So when Mike finished his last round he looked at me and said get down there, there are 3 rounds left. So I did and Mike got down there with me and walked me through the adjustments on his rest and then I shot. Two 10's and a 9, so yeah, me thinks it can be done.


Mark

Nice job Mark. You too immike! But try doing that with a Bipod in an F-class Match shooting heavy bullets in a 7 twist

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Nice job Mark. You too immike! But try doing that with a Bipod in an F-class Match shooting heavy bullets in a 7 twist

Totally wrong. That would be as easy to do as anything else. A properly adjusted scope parallax allows anyone to shoot and hit the target.

I'll take you a step further and tell you that I've done this with hunting rifles many times.

My son shot his first buck with my rifle at 402 yards with one shot from a dirt knob on a Harris bipod. He'd never shot that rifle one time in his life prior to making that perfect kill shot. I just dialed the scope in for elevation and parallax and handed it to him. Bang, dead.

Another buddy of mine had never shot a rifle over 300 yards and didn't even know where his rifle hit past that and his rifle was shooting about 7" groups at 300. There was a 10" steel gong at 650 yards I was ringing with my 6.5 Rem Mag. I just told him to try it with my rifle. He jumped behind my rifle and I noticed a little crosswind had picked up so I told him to hold on the left side of the steel. Having never shot my rifle in his life before, he held left and fired. Bang! Nailed it.

Anyone who doesn't believe they can hit a target with someone else's scoped rifle doesn't understand how to set up parallax properly when sighting and shooting

 

[gotcha]

Totally wrong. That would be as easy to do as anythinf else. A properly adjusted scope parallax allows anyone to shoot and hit the target.

I'll take you a step further and tell you that I've done this with hunting rifles many times.

My son shot his first buck with my rifle at 402 yards with one shot from a dirt knob on a Harris bipod. He'd never shot that rifle one time in his life prior to making that perfect kill shot. I just dialed the scope in for elevation and parallax and handed it to him. Bang, dead.

Another buddy of mine had never shot a rifle over 300 yards and didn't even know where his rifle hit past that and his rifle was shooting about 7" groups at 300. There was a 10" steel gong at 650 yards I was ringing with my 6.5 Rem Mag. I just told him to try it with my rifle. He jumped behind my rifle and I noticed a little crosswind had picked up so I told him to hold on the left side of the steel. Having never shot my rifle in his life before, he held left and fired. Bang! Nailed it.

Anyone who doesn't believe they can hit a target with someone else's scoped rifle doesn't understand how to set up parallax properly when sighting and shooting

My My My You are quite the expert.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

My My My You are quite the expert.

Don't spread false information that someone else can't line up behind another scoped long range rifle and hit targets accurately. I dont care what type of shooting you do, it can be done. Hate it when people jump on here with their own opinions or assumptions when they have no real world experience with what the OP is asking about.

 

[dickn52]

Everything comes down to fit as far as I can tell. I do the shotgun game (never trap though) and my guns are fitted from the start. 5* offset, cant and comb adjusted to put my eye on the rib everytime. Front sight removed (never needed). LOP perfected by my stock fitter. Rifles could enjoy the same amount of detail.

 

[6MMsteve]

OK I went to Penn 1000yd club to pick up and shoot my new rifle Bruce Baer built for me, he had my loads ready scope sighted in all I had to do is shoot it, well I won my relay in score and finished 3rd that day overall in score shooting with a rifle I never shot

 

[Topstrap]

At our 1000 yard steel plate matches where we shoot off bipods and sandbags the top shooters can pretty much grab someone elses gun and hit with same consistency as the owner. I think it's more that they all handle the gun the same, newer shooters unless coached a bit on how it's done usually don't have the same hit ratio.

I'd guess BR would be even easier due to them setting everything up in rests then waiting for the right condition then touching off the round.

Pistol shooters can also achieve the same but it's a lot harder to learn to shoot a handgun correctly. Some do well choking it to death, others are a bit limpwristed but nearly all the better longrange pistol shooters ( I know everything I relate to is longrange) can grab anothers gun and hit what they are aiming at. You really learn to finesse a grip paying attention to how each finger, palm and thumb touch the grip which also helps with paying closer attention to how the same affects a rifle stock.

Shotguns, I could never learn to shoot a shotgun well, everyone I know that is a good shotgunner says the fit is everything.

I was told long ago by one of the best longrange pistol shooters anywhere learn to shoot what you are holding and not always have to make it fit you so you could shoot it. I threw together this 2x4 stock for my Win 52-C and have let most of the shooters that have shot my longrange matches at the distant targets. After I got them to forget how it looks and even feels and how to sneak up on it they proceeded to drill my tiny steel plates at 197 yards consistently. They were amazed, by how natural it began to feel when they got over it not feeling like their own gun.

I shoot a lot of different rifles/pistols at the longrange matches and none of them are similiar. They all have different stocks/scopes,calibers and weights but the technique is similiar on all of them.

Just takes a lot of practice to learn to do it right but you can pick up a gun sighted in by someone else (if they are a high level shooter) and be accurate right off. Possibly a click or two for subtle variations but close enough to say it can be done.

Topstrap

 

[Barlow]

I sighted in a friends Tikka 270 wsm for him a couple years for the fall Idaho Elk season. He had some medical problems and did not want to shoot before hand. He killed a nice bull with one shot (don't recall the range) but told me I did a good job. Yeah it can and has been done. Barlow

 

[6MMsteve]

heck I didn't even know what parralaxitive was when I was shooting, no wonder I could never see through that 36x programmer, crosshair was crazy wish I had it back with all the other unertls I had lol