Butch,
How's that an argument when it's a fact? Short range stocks have a angle on the butt end where as we shoot a stock that has no angle and if done right is completely flat.
Should buttstock toe ride bag or ears?
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Butch,
How's that an argument when it's a fact? Short range stocks have a angle on the butt end where as we shoot a stock that has no angle and if done right is completely flat.
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I just received my new custom made bag from Protektor; it is a hybrid between several stock ones that I have. For my 3/4" wide flat butt, the width between the ears on the top of the bag is 1/2". The top of the bag is a flat top, so upon recoil the POA remains flat as well rather than changing elevation as with a sloped bag top. Bag height is only 3", as I have determined that the taller 5" bag is just not comfortable or as stable for me. Tall ears to facilitate maintaining straight recoil. Filled with heavy sand, and much better than I have been able to do in the past. It all fits perfectly on the floor and I will get to the range this week to try it out.
My rear bag is a flat top with a 2.1" flat between the mid ears and it rides on two .400 rails in the corners. When pulled to the rear, the dot will stay in a .250 circle at 100 yds. after it travels over an inch….. you have to see the hit at 600 and 1000 and if you shoot free recoil it matters…… jim
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Kyle Schultz
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This new stock is going to be built by Tommy Shurley. Currently we're spec'ing a full-length, flat bottom toe, parallel to the forearm. Only question is the width of the toe.
I have 2 other F-class guns. Both on MasterClass stocks. One is a rounded bottom and the other is a 1/2" flat. Both are advertised as the toe being parallel to the forearm but to my eye, there appears to be some drop.
Here is a pic of my rear bag.
The bag is angled and there is a 1/2" gap between the ears. The 1/2" Flat toe rifle completely rides the bag in between the ears but only for a portion of the length of the bag as the bag is angled. For the rounded-toe gun, the very bottom of the toe contacts the bag and the sides of the stock contact the ears. There are gaps in the corners where the ears meet the bag because the toe is rounded. And as before, because the bag is angled, the bottom of the toe only contacts a portion of the length of the bag.
So as you can see, I have a mixed bag (pardon the pun) of equipment. That's why I'm trying to be precise with the Shurley Bros stock.
At this point, I think I'll follow the gunsmith's recommendation to go with a 3/4" flat bottom parallel toe. And if I need to go a different direction with a new rear bag, so be it.
Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice!
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In that case, I have a Shurley Bros low rider with a 3/4" toe and it sits perfectly flat in my SEB rear bag with 3/4" spacing between the ears.
You will be good with your decision!
You will be good with your decision!
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How about I say difference in opinions, is that better? I'm not saying anything about differences in stocks or stock rules. Listen-I'm saying do what you are most comfortable with.
Most long range shooters let the stock ride on the bottom of the bag
with side tension from the ears. Look at the Picture ALF showed. If the gun doesn't stay where it needs to it is feet at 1000. Maybe even off the target. I know one guy has a piece of wood shaped like his stock. Every time he sets up he pounds this piece of wood into the bag with a hammer. I see most guys just tap on the top of the butt to make it go down in the bag. I believe there is differences between long range and short range set ups. Matt
with side tension from the ears. Look at the Picture ALF showed. If the gun doesn't stay where it needs to it is feet at 1000. Maybe even off the target. I know one guy has a piece of wood shaped like his stock. Every time he sets up he pounds this piece of wood into the bag with a hammer. I see most guys just tap on the top of the butt to make it go down in the bag. I believe there is differences between long range and short range set ups. Matt
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Swapping around bags can be a bit expensive, if you try very many. If you set up so that there is a gap, you can test that, and then rip a shim to tape on the toe line, so that it contacts the bag, and is of any width or taper you like. I have played with this on a short range stock. In that case, the results were inconclusive. What did make a difference in performance was to modify the font bag contact area angle and extend it forward. That made a big difference.
I would say it depends on how the stock is made . Would make a difference in where it rides. Larry
Roger, at 1000 it is nice to have the crosshairs in the same place after you pull the trigger, so you can see the hit and it tracks back to the aiming point without adjusting the knobs. I am talking free recoil,you can see the bullet hit at 100 yds. and a clay bird break at 1000 and never touch it. jim
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