Short range Br bbl twist questions.

[Knorthcutt222]

So my .222 Remington with a Krieger 13 twist and 50 grain Barts & BIB's isn't a contender in 100 yard BR? Just kidding. I built it to try and duplicate what Walt Berger did in the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's.

I have thought about doing the same for my love of the 222 cartridge.

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

Does Lapua Still make .222 brass?

 

[OMW57]

Does Lapua Still make .222 brass?

I think I saw some yesterday, maybe Midway?
nope, just looked, they have Nosler & prvi partisan available

 

[Knorthcutt222]

Does Lapua Still make .222 brass?

It was one of cartridges they listed to be put on hold because of the war in Ukraine affecting material

 

[S Miller]

You never know until you try. I have a .222 HV on a Rem action that I have competed with in VFS on occasion since 2005. I have won with a 6 Beggs against 20 other shooters with 30 BR's and felt pretty good about it. I can't image how it would feel to do that with a .224 caliber -I am talking Score, not group.

Feels pretty good. Ck out the score match results in the IBS website for the August 27,28 2022 at Pine Tree.. 22bra4350- If you want to shoot we’ll at 100 with a br, consider slow twist custom bullets, good flags, stable platform with good table manners and a good scope with lots of practice. Shoot as many matches as you can and don’t let not having a 30 keep you from score matches. Have fun with it.
Scott Miller

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

There's also UBR, which is caliber neutral. Several very competitive 22s in UBR due to no scoring advantage based on bullet diameter, per their rules/targets. Great game. Lots of top shooters and a fine bunch of people involved with UBR. It's still shot mostly in the southeast but is always looking to expand to other areas too. Absolutely no reason a goo 22 cal can't win in this game. I'm getting a late start this season because of having to deal with some recent storm damage but I'll start out the season with a 220 Beggs, in all liklihood.

 

[BartsBullets]

So in short range Br. The 6ppc, 6br, 6 bra, 6dasher are the cartridge s most shooters choose.
I know the 30br is the score king but my question only pertains to the 6mm.
It's really a barrel question.
So my question is" If a 6br cartridge is to complete against the 6ppc, should that 6br barrel be a slower twist barrel with a short free bore?"
Reason I ask this is because I see lot's of 6br shoot well and I'm interested in staying shooting 6br case. Iv only shot the fast twist 6br barrels.
If I'm wanting to agg well in short range, mainly 100 yard shoots, should I just get a 13.5, or 14 twist barrel? Shoot 60 to 70g bullets?
Can a fast twist barrel agg against slower twist barrel's assuming they both are loaded optimally?
Or could ask it like this," Can a shooter agg well shooting 100 grain bullets as well as a shooter who is shooting 60 or 70 grain bullets?
I know this is a loaded question but I always appreciate what you guys reply.
Thanks again

"If you want to shoot and compete at short-range groups, get a 6PPC and a 13.5 twist barrel and go shoot. If you want to shoot for score, get a 30BR.

Can a shooter Agg as well with 100-grain bullets? Very doubtful. A possible exception would be someone who is already a very good group shooter and has vast experience tuning whatever cartridge they are bringing to the game and the right conditions.

I’m pretty comfortable with the 6BRA, and I’ve played with it a little at short range. But it’s not a 6PPC or 30BR killer. In the right hands, with the right barrel and bullets, it's capable.

Bottom line, if you want to compete in short-range, get a 6PPC or 30BR, proper weight bullets, and twist barrels.

Bart

 

[JimPag]

and he is not shooting any of those lite loads
ii shoot at 29.9 n133 with a miller 65,
lester is typically way past me as are several others.
yes there are some lite shooters that do well, but most are 19 or more

29.9 isn't all that much a heavy dose nowadays. I was talking to someone recently who is very well know in SR group and wins his share of big matches that shoots between 30.7 and 31.3 with his 65.5 grain bullets and he told me that his speed is between 3600 and 3700. I didn't ask him what his brass life was but it would be interesting to find out his answer to that question.

 

[Mulligan]

29.9 isn't all that much a heavy dose nowadays. I was talking to someone recently who is very well know in SR group and wins his share of big matches that shoots between 30.7 and 31.3 with his 65.5 grain bullets and he told me that his speed is between 3600 and 3700. I didn't ask him what his brass life was but it would be interesting to find out his answer to that question.

WOW!
giddyup, that's getting it done!!!

CW

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

"If you want to shoot and compete at short-range groups, get a 6PPC and a 13.5 twist barrel and go shoot. If you want to shoot for score, get a 30BR.

Can a shooter Agg as well with 100-grain bullets? Very doubtful. A possible exception would be someone who is already a very good group shooter and has vast experience tuning whatever cartridge they are bringing to the game and the right conditions.

I’m pretty comfortable with the 6BRA, and I’ve played with it a little at short range. But it’s not a 6PPC or 30BR killer. In the right hands, with the right barrel and bullets, it's capable.

Bottom line, if you want to compete in short-range, get a 6PPC or 30BR, proper weight bullets, and twist barrels.

Bart

I have reread this. Before I just read it, not looking at who wrote it. Seeing who wrote it , well, I'll take that to the bank then.
Preciate it too.
So, since all this talk started. Question.
Since I have found a good tune at 32gvof 133 in my 6bra. It's a 18 inch barrel. Would you expect to have a lower charge of 133 if I shoot a longer barrel. Say a 26 in stead of the 18? Shooting the same bullet?

 

[BartsBullets]

I have reread this. Before I just read it, not looking at who wrote it. Seeing who wrote it , well, I'll take that to the bank then.
Preciate it too.
So, since all this talk started. Question.
Since I have found a good tune at 32gvof 133 in my 6bra. It's a 18 inch barrel. Would you expect to have a lower charge of 133 if I shoot a longer barrel. Say a 26 in stead of the 18? Shooting the same bullet?

Yes you’ll use significantly less powder to get the same velocity.

 

[urbanrifleman]

This logic has crossed my mind. Could had asked the question the same way.
13.5 twist 6br, with vv133.
What could be different?

I have a rifle I will sell you. Trued Rem 700 with Jewel varmint It has a Brux 12 twist and a Krieger 13.5 twist with the 50 fb 6bra (two barrels). You can't have my Revolution stock. But I'll sell you a fresh one for it.

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

I have a rifle I will sell you. Trued Rem 700 with Jewel varmint It has a Brux 12 twist and a Krieger 13.5 twist with the 50 fb 6bra (two barrels). You can't have my Revolution stock. But I'll sell you a fresh one for it.

A barreled action?

 

[urbanrifleman]

A barreled action?

Yes that would be a barreled action with two barrels. And a Jewel trigger if that's the way you want to go. Or I will be more than happy to keep my Jewel trigger

 

[Eric Leonard]

There's also UBR, which is caliber neutral. Several very competitive 22s in UBR due to no scoring advantage based on bullet diameter, per their rules/targets. Great game. Lots of top shooters and a fine bunch of people involved with UBR. It's still shot mostly in the southeast but is always looking to expand to other areas too. Absolutely no reason a goo 22 cal can't win in this game. I'm getting a late start this season because of having to deal with some recent storm damage but I'll start out the season with a 220 Beggs, in all liklihood.

Steve Jaynes won UBR SSOY last year in Custom and came in 2nd in UL mainly shooting a 22 PPC

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

I reread all these posts from way back.
Thank y'all for all the input.I was wondering about a question I had and it had been answered here. So, the quest for Short range performance continues

 

[gpoldblue]

This logic has crossed my mind. Could had asked the question the same way.
13.5 twist 6br, with vv133.
What could be different?

When you increase velocity you also increase drag which increases the rate of decelaration. Look at the ballistic charts at the back of loading manuals and you'll find that an increase in muzzle elococty of 200fps in a 6PPC reduces time-fo-flight by only .013 of a second for a 200yd shot and terminal velocity will not be 200fps faster.
Good luck and stay safe.

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

When you increase velocity you also increase drag which increases the rate of decelaration. Look at the ballistic charts at the back of loading manuals and you'll find that an increase in muzzle elococty of 200fps in a 6PPC reduces time-fo-flight by only .013 of a second for a 200yd shot and terminal velocity will not be 200fps faster.
Good luck and stay safe.

I'll do it.

 

[Webster]

So in short range Br. The 6ppc, 6br, 6 bra, 6dasher are the cartridge s most shooters choose.
I know the 30br is the score king but my question only pertains to the 6mm.
It's really a barrel question.
So my question is" If a 6br cartridge is to complete against the 6ppc, should that 6br barrel be a slower twist barrel with a short free bore?"
Reason I ask this is because I see lot's of 6br shoot well and I'm interested in staying shooting 6br case. Iv only shot the fast twist 6br barrels.
If I'm wanting to agg well in short range, mainly 100 yard shoots, should I just get a 13.5, or 14 twist barrel? Shoot 60 to 70g bullets?
Can a fast twist barrel agg against slower twist barrel's assuming they both are loaded optimally?
Or could ask it like this," Can a shooter agg well shooting 100 grain bullets as well as a shooter who is shooting 60 or 70 grain bullets?
I know this is a loaded question but I always appreciate what you guys reply.
Thanks again

Look at what the top shooters use at National Matches and not what some guy says thiis is what I do.

 

[wildcatter]

I can only speak of what has worked for those shooting short range full out bench rest,,,,, 1-13 to 1-14 is what dominates extreme BR competition. and for the sake of recoil not interfering with the absolute ability to shoot the same hole short range, 62 to 68 grain bullets are the hands down most winning.

After shooting with these guys for decades, knowing their drive to spend, build, and shoot whatever it takes to dominate, I will stick within those parameters!

remember, they are only allowed a maximum weight of 10.5 pounds for their gun in LV and Sporter class, and most shoot that same rifle in HV class instead of changing to a 13.5# allowed weight, but even those that shoot 13.5# guns. they revert to those same bullets, and them same barrel twists! Thats where I will continue to run mine!