Shipping Rifle To Board Member No FFL

[superlight93]

Get this. We have a member who made a deal with me on a rifle. Spent hours on the phone and emails. So I receive the check and deposit it yesterday. Today I e-mailed him requesting a copy of an FFL for the shipping address. He replied I don't trust anyone else to receive the rifle. You should have told me this before we made the deal. So then I get another email saying that he went to the bank and put a stop payment on the check!
What do you think I should do? Report him to the moderators and the ATF? He is a business owner and expected me to ship to him directly. Even gave me his Fed Ex account number.

 

[jonbearman]

IF he has an ffl then he should still send you a copy of his license and signed and dated.

 

[superlight93]

He does not have an FFL and wanted me to ship to him without one.

 

[jobhopper66]

I would wash my hands of this guy and be thankful you did not get involved with him.

 

[DennisH]

He does not have an FFL and wanted me to ship to him without one.

It's law you must ship your weapon to a FFL dealer who intern has the buyer fill out a 4473. He calls it in and once he has an approval number, he can turn the weapon over to the buyer.

DON'T ship it to him. You never know if he is a convicted felon or what. It may be stolen!

You as owner of the weapon can ship the weapon with a copy of your drivers license enclosed, but you must have a copy of the receivers FFL enclosed as well.

You DON'T want the BATF at your door with the package.

I prefer UPS requiring a signature for all my shipping. I understand the USPS laws may have changed, but I have not looked into it. Maybe someone will be up to date.

Dennis

 

[joshb]

Anybody,ANYBODY who has bought a gun or a few guns knows the rules. The guy either can't buy a gun, legally, or is making this an excuse to back out of the deal. Report him to the moderators.

 

[Shynloco]

...... The guy either can't buy a gun, legally, or is making this an excuse to back out of the deal. Report him to the moderators.

Consider the possibilities that this could also be a set up and another marvelous ATF tracking case. Definitely a loosing proposition anyway you cut it. Big brother is watching (no not me).

 

[GrocMax]

Does he reside in the same state? If so in many cases an FFL transfer is not needed.

 

[Pres100]

Tell him he is doing the right thing by stooping payment of the check, because you wouldn't send the rifle directly anyway.

Cut bait, retie and throw the line back in the water

 

[butchlambert]

Does he reside in the same state? If so in many cases an FFL transfer is not needed.

You are correct.

 

[dragman]

Even if he is an FFL he is NOT required by law to give you a copy of his license. Rather you can look him up and list it is too the registered address legally with a copy of your DL.

 

[22DASHER]

Even if he is an FFL he is NOT required by law to give you a copy of his license. Rather you can look him up and list it is too the registered address legally with a copy of your DL.

True - but that is not the case here.

 

[MattPeetz]

Even if they don't want to send a copy of FFL I still would require the FFL number so I could look it up to make sure the FFL is legit.
If I ship it to the ffl that corresponds to the number, it is on the buyer after it leaves my possession.

 

[spclark]

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)]


All your questions answered:

https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons

 

[DogBuster]

Better steer clear of this guy.......

 

[critter_bill]

Run, don't walk, run away. Some years back a very nice talking fellow responded to a rifle for sale I had listed on another board. He asked for my phone number because he had some questions. When he called, he was very friendly, chatty even, and stated that he would be passing through SC and could he pick the rifle up in person. He claimed that he sold and installed inground swimming pools throughout the southeast and it would be so much more convenient for him just to "pick it up" in person. He had homes in FL and TN. I informed him that I could only ship to his FFL and would provide a copy of my DL for his FFL if needed. He knew all about that but felt that since he was a trusted member of the forum, surely I could make an exception for him. Of course, I declined. He was very persistent and called a couple of more times which I ignored. To this day, I wonder if he was ATF. He posted under GeorgeoftheJungle.

 

[Syncrowave]

What do you think I should do? Report him to the moderators and the ATF? He is a business owner and expected me to ship to him directly. Even gave me his Fed Ex account number.

Gosh, no need to make a federal case out of it ... maybe it was an honest mistake on his part. Maybe he didn't know that what he wants to do is illegal.

Just tell him it's illegal to make the transfer except through an FFL, and if he doesn't want to do it that way, then the deal is off.

 

[CoverDog]

Does he reside in the same state? If so in many cases an FFL transfer is not needed.

That's how it is here in Ohio, but that's only on long guns.

 

[Taildrag15X]

Does he reside in the same state? If so in many cases an FFL transfer is not needed.

That's how it is here in Ohio, but that's only on long guns.

It was that way here in New York State until the Safe Act, now ANY and ALL transactions have to be through an FFL holder.

 

[Shiraz]

DO NOT ship the rifle directly to him. The transaction needs to go through an FFL unless he comes and buys the gun from you in person, and even then, some states have new laws regarding that. Like WA State where I live.

I had a guy make a deal with me about a year ago, but wanted to ship directly to him. He got DA Boot!