Shipping Primers/Powder

[TheOtherZilla]

There's prison time for those who get caught not following the labeling requirements. That alone should be incentive to play by the rules.

Yes, but I would bet there is a lot of stuff privately shipped that breaks the rules..

 

[Texas10]

UPS may give you a label for the package but that is entirely different than the hazardous materials certification documents required to ship hazardous materials.

I am quite clear on the difference between a haz mat label and an ORM-D. Just repeating what I was told by someone WITH an account at UPS. Please remember that internet advise may be worth every penny you spent on it.

 

[Walt Krafft]

How would anyone know what you are shipping unless you tell them?

UPS can open the package as soon as you give it to them. I was shipping a stripped ar lower to another ffl. She opened the package and said "this doesn't look like a gun". I said "you got no clue so why are you opening my package?" Since two pissed off people were in a stalemate looking at each other, she decided to tape it back up. This was at the ups service center. If it was something they do not allow, it may be confiscated, lost? My local service center does not accept any restricted items like ordm or has mat.

 

[XTR]

This is not the first time this has been discussed imagine that)

The threads below have some of the answers, see my posts in them. The bottom line is no, and the fact that people don't understand why they can ship ammo and not components highlights the problem.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/shipping-powder-and-hazmat-dangerous-goods.3819068/

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/is-there-anyway-to-ship-powder.3834106/#post-36339356

 

[Evan]

Yes, but I would bet there is a lot of stuff privately shipped that breaks the rules..

While that's true, it's really not ok. Some children successfully street race their parent's car without incident. It doesn't make the laws prohibiting it any less important because many children also crash into innocent bystanders and ruin lives.

It's not a problem to ship undeclared restricted materials until a truck burns to a pile of molten goo on a highway somewhere and they do some serious investigating as to why. Or they pack it on an airplane, thinking it's just another box of nothing, and it ignites in the cargo hold and the plane goes down, crew and all. HAZMAT shipping requirements came around for very real and serious reasons; please don't endanger lives or encourage others to do so just to ship some powder to somebody under the table!

 

[danny]

While that's true, it's really not ok. Some children successfully street race their parent's car without incident. It doesn't make the laws prohibiting it any less important because many children also crash into innocent bystanders and ruin lives.

It's not a problem to ship undeclared restricted materials until a truck burns to a pile of molten goo on a highway somewhere and they do some serious investigating as to why. Or they pack it on an airplane, thinking it's just another box of nothing, and it ignites in the cargo hold and the plane goes down, crew and all. HAZMAT shipping requirements came around for very real and serious reasons; please don't endanger lives or encourage others to do so just to ship some powder to somebody under the table!

Packages also open by accident while in.the possesion of UPS, and also, it could be delivered to someone by accident, who opens it, then contacts UPS that a mis delivery was made, AND that hazmat materials were shipped improperly. It's all fun and games till something against the regs. gets discovered or someone gets hurt.

Danny

 

[dolek]

Yes, but I would bet there is a lot of stuff privately shipped that breaks the rules..

So what does that have to do with the OPs question ? Are you trying to encourage him to break the law ?

Here is the OPs question . The simple answer and correct answer is NO . Writing what you did is careless .

I have some large rifle magnum primers and some large rifle match and a couple bottles of powder, all primers in the 5-7 hundred count, can I ship them UPS with ORMD label to a private person

 

[dolek]

How would anyone know what you are shipping unless you tell them?

Pretty simple, by opening the package .

 

[TheOtherZilla]

Pretty simple, by opening the package .

Have you ever had a shipper open a package? Me? Never. It would be too easy to just box em up and send em off. I highly doubt anyone would look. Not that I condone this action. The PO is the only place that has ever asked. And that's every time. But if someone just said no they'd move on and take one's word for it. Dishonest people do what they want.

 

[INShooter]

UPS has a huge airport hub not far from me. There are regular news reports about contraband being discovered. Don’t know how but they find it on a regular basis.

 

[Nature Boy]

Have you ever had a shipper open a package?

yes, more than once

You’re required to declare that you are not shipping any hazardous materials to the shipper (UPS, USPS, FedEx).

Lie about that and get caught and then let us know what happens

 

[TF160 Guy]

Just went through this with UPS.
Shipping HAZMAT. Certification is a time consuming process for someone shipping infrequently. Best to find a center which will accept hazmat shipments and do the paperwork for you.
Shipping loaded ammunition. Less than 50 pounds and smaller than 50 cal. Must display the ORMD sticker (UPS has a free download). Schedule a pickup or drop off at UPS center which will do that.
ORMD option ends December 31, 2020.

 

[dgeesaman]

UPS has a huge airport hub not far from me. There are regular news reports about contraband being discovered. Don’t know how but they find it on a regular basis.

Dogs

 

[nakneker]

I’ve shipped a few shipments of loaded factory Ammo, still in the box, at the UPS hub in Mesa, Arizona. Super easy, tell them it’s Ammo, they give you the sticker, you have to put the sticker on the box and off she goes. It’s cheap too. I shipped a 43 pound box yesterday 1500 miles away it cost 16.95, much cheaper than USPS. I asked them about powder and primers, I have a few friends who could use some and they couldn’t help me. I was hoping they would have a certified Hazmat shipper to recommend in the area.

I think that’s part of the problem. I’d wager more then a little bit of powder and primers gets sent improperly because it’s hard to find the certified shipped, I’m not justifying it or making excuses for people who opt to do that but I bet they get frustrated and so they do it anyways. I called three hazmat shippers in the Phoenix area and all three said they don’t deal with primers or powder. I’m gonna look some more when I get time. I’d imagine a lot of these hazmat shippers aren’t interested in small orders, not enough money in it to make it pencil.

 

[danny]

I called three hazmat shippers in the Phoenix area and all three said they don’t deal with primers or powder. I’m gonna look some more when I get time. I’d imagine a lot of these hazmat shippers aren’t interested in small orders, not enough money in it to make it pencil.

Democrats/Antifirearms, correct?

Danny

 

[nakneker]

Democrats/Antifirearms, correct?

Danny

I have no idea, just said they didn’t deal with powder and primers. I think may have been more chemical oriented shippers. I’m still looking, has to be someone in the area or maybe that’s a niche someone could fill.

 

[338 dude]

I have no idea, just said they didn’t deal with powder and primers. I think may have been more chemical oriented shippers. I’m still looking, has to be someone in the area or maybe that’s a niche someone could fill.

Just out of curiosity I did an Internet search and there are none close to me but the one that was the nearest on their website said they don’t mess with powders or primers also

 

[Tucker65]

How about you take a piece of 4" pvc pipe about 2 feet long. Glue a cap on one end with a hole drilled in it to stick a primer in. Then you fill it with the powder of choice and turn a wood or plastic bullet to seat in the other end. Slap a ORMD sticker on it and you're good to go.

Wait, I guess that might be bending the rules a little bit. Unless you had the so-called gun that fired that round.

John

 

[Shinbone]

I sold some ammo on Gunbroker. It was five boxes of 300WSM in the factory boxes. I packaged it up with lots of packing material, headed over to the UPS Service Center, and handed it the clerk. He shook it and said "sounds like ammo." Didn't surprise me because it did sound like ammo.

I wonder if an experienced shipping clerk could identify boxes of primers by the sound they make when shook.

 

[spclark]

ORM-D is gone as of 12/31/2020 in the event you haven't heard yet.

Here's where you can read it for yourselves.

Company I used to work for got find twice @ $10,000 per instance for shipping undeclared lacquer touch-up paint by UPS (it was Next Day Air which has different rules about this kind of thing) back around 2007. So 'know before you go' is a good rule to follow unless you like surprises.

And don't for a moment think a UPS Store is the same as a UPS company retail shipping facility adjacent to one of their distribution centers, 'cause they're not.