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Shipping from non license person to licensed dealer

MGYSGT

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I see this all the time in the Classified ads. "FFL Must accept shipment from non licensed person". Just curious, but I always figured that once an FFL licensed shop gets a firearm in the mail/fedex/usp into their shop, they really don't have much choice on weather or not to log it in. If they send it back out to a non licensed person, wouldn't that be violation? School me, I really want to know.

Tom
 
I'd be curious to hear more about this as well. I do not hold an FFL, but I have shipped many rifles to FFL holders via FedEx over the years and all that was really required was a copy of the recipient's FFL. I never had the impression that any FFL holders would really care one way or another whether the firearm came directly from another FFL holder, or from a private citizen, as long as the shipment was done properly. Does the point of origin really make that much difference?
 
Ya' gotta' have some form of documentation to show where it came from. Acquisition, where and who it came from, and Disposition , who did it go to. The FFL that received the shipment can not ship the firearm back to a non-licensee. To ship it back, it would need to be shipped to a FFL in the state where it was first shipped from. The paper work and documentation are 'the name of the game'. It is all about transfer of ownership. An individual can ship to a FFL gunsmith or manufacturer for repair or modification, and the gunsmith/manufacturer can ship it directly back to the person who sent it,,,,, no transfer of ownership in this instance. Still, documentation on file for this.
 
shortgrass said:
The FFL that received the shipment can not ship the firearm back to a non-licensee.
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If they aren't in consignment, or logged into the receiving FFL's books, I would have expected they could return to the individual shipping without anyone else? I realize shipping reimbursement would need to be dealt with.

In my area, the FFL's that will not accept shipment from a non-FFL (and that is about 2/3 of the FFL's) seem to be due to the fact the person shipping doesn't include the required documentation (copy of license) and the inefficiency of dealing with this.
 
jepp2 said:
If they aren't in consignment, or logged into the receiving FFL's books, I would have expected they could return to the individual shipping without anyone else? I realize shipping reimbursement would need to be dealt with.

In my area, the FFL's that will not accept shipment from a non-FFL (and that is about 2/3 of the FFL's) seem to be due to the fact the person shipping doesn't include the required documentation (copy of license) and the inefficiency of dealing with this.
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Someone tell me if I'm wrong. My understanding is this, if I, a non-ffl, buy a rifle from you, a non-ffl and you ship it to my licensed ffl dealer with a copy of your ID everything is ok. BUT, if the rifle is damaged and I refuse to accept it, it can't be shipped directly back to you. It must be shipped to a ffl and transferred back to you.
 
tmwinds said:
I refuse to accept it, it can't be shipped directly back to you. It must be shipped to a ffl and transferred back to you.
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that is true.
MGYSGT said:
. "FFL Must accept shipment from non licensed person".
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"FFL MUST",,wrong,don't have to accept it. I've done it a few times,didn't know where it was coming from or who it was going to, never got signed for or even left ups or fedex truck.
 
How about non- licensees shipping to other non- licensees within the same state? The way I've read the shipping regs before states this would be legal. Anyone done this? And what kind of potential ramifications could one face if something weren't 100% up to snuff?
 
Adam in WI said:
How about non- licensees shipping to other non- licensees within the same state? The way I've read the shipping regs before states this would be legal. Anyone done this? And what kind of potential ramifications could one face if something weren't 100% up to snuff?
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Not in Oregon, must do a transfer.
You can purchase for your spouse, but not your children if over 18.
 
I’ve done it tooooo many times. The “non licensed seller” simply ships the gun to your FFL with a clear copy of his Driver’s license.
There are a few hitches:
Check with your FFL to make sure that’s OK with them. Some will only accept from another FFL.
Getting a full copy of the FFL ‘s license , to send to your seller is getting harder. Some won’t give out copies. The seller has to call and get the “bare minimum info” from the receiving FFL.
Things are getting tougher for our FFL holders with today’s climate. I was told by a gun store owner about how he got into trouble when a bad guy did a “cut and paste” with a copy of his license. Used his number, but changed the name and address. One day, the ATF showed up and his nightmare began.
 
It boils down to what the dealer will do for you. If he will take a firearm from a private person is up too him.
My dealer will take them and work with both the seller and you on the purchase, just following DROS and Fed regulations.
 
The problem is the few who refuse to send the minimum info the ffl needs. As in a lot of cases, a few screw it up for the many.
 
A FFL holder (dealer) can ship a firearm back to you as long as you are the owner. You can send a firearm to an FFL for work and he can ship it back to you. I have sent my Caesar Guerini shotgun to Caesar Guerini for a pitstop and they send it directly back to me.

You can even ship a firearm to yourself as long as you are the legal owner.

If you belong to a local club check and see if the club holds an FFL. The club will usually handle FFL transactions for a member for a minimal fee if any.
 
Adam in WI said:
How about non- licensees shipping to other non- licensees within the same state? The way I've read the shipping regs before states this would be legal. Anyone done this? And what kind of potential ramifications could one face if something weren't 100% up to snuff?
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Not a federal issue, as it's not crossing a state line. Within the state borders, it is dependent on that state's laws.

There is probably no limit as to how bad things can go if you're outside the law. Either you're legit, or you're not.
 
So I guess it boils down to including a clear copy of your Drivers License with the shipment???
 
I always ask the receiving FFL what he wants. So far a faxed or emailed copy of FFL (unless it's already on file), they double check through ATF EZ check and all is good. From non dealers they ask for name, address, phone number, and some kind of statement indicating the sale of the item. I've also told my guys that I would be ordering something ahead of time to give a heads up.

I did have a mix up on a new dealer FFL receiving from a non FFL but just a miscommunication.

Some time back a hard copy of the FFL from sender with original signature was required, no more, what a time to be alive.
 
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