Selling Our Public Lands

[Mulligan]

A permit has little to do with permission, it has everything to do with another form of revenue generation and most people don't realize it's just another tax like so many others. Anything that is paid to a government regardless what they call it, is a tax.

I read through this thread and it appears only one person may have actually read the measure. Most of the comments are way off base as to what the measure is about, although I find their feelings about selling off our public lands spot on.

Read the measure and you'll understand it is about housing development, the states have first right of refusal, and if you read it carefully you'll also notice how it's been worded. After noticing some of the irregularities one might think it's simply poorly written, but history has shown it is written as intended and not for the good of the average citizen but rather for developers.

The draft Senate legislative text, proposed amendment to the Energy and Natural Resources Act.

https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/DF7B7FBE-9866-4B69-8ACA-C661A4F18096

Attached is a doc that points out some of these, and asks some pointed questions.

^^^^^exactly^^^^^^^^

deep pockets getting deeper.

Nothing good for America will come from this.
CW

 

[tominboise]

Once the government sells it, it's gone forever.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Lands suitable for housing or adjacent to current housing. I guess 20+ million allowed into the country in 4 years does have consequences.

 

[Doug Casner]

Its not the gov. but my old elk hunting buddy used to talk about something he called checkerboarding. An old rancher would sell his ranch to a big real estate corp. and theyed sell it off in 5 acre tracts. The last time I was in colorado it looked like it. Doug

 

[Downeast]

Elections have consequences...

 

[RabbitSlayer]

The Chinese will probably buy it all.

They are talking up to 3m acres. Thats how much public land is in all of Nevada. Thats huge.

 

[nakneker]

I hope against hope this doesn’t happen, some of that land marked for this sale is some of our favorite hunting grounds. It’s BS

 

[Downeast]

I would rather live with the threatened rats and tortoises than see a Walmart and McD's around every corner.
Sad to say, but at the end of the day, this Thread is about shooting access and hunting rights

 

[nettle]

This is 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

 

[Sniperhandle]

What ever happened to We the People ?

Aside ,16 miles west of me a 160 farm sold for 17,000 $$$$ an acre last year.

Anyone see where the value of the dollar is headed ?

Exactly! anyone remember this old song, "This Land Is Your Land, This Land Is My Land"? Yeah right. The land was stolen a long time ago.

 

[Sniperhandle]

A permit has little to do with permission, it has everything to do with another form of revenue generation and most people don't realize it's just another tax like so many others. Anything that is paid to a government regardless what they call it, is a tax.

I read through this thread and it appears only one person may have actually read the measure. Most of the comments are way off base as to what the measure is about, although I find their feelings about selling off our public lands spot on.

Read the measure and you'll understand it is about housing development, the states have first right of refusal, and if you read it carefully you'll also notice how it's been worded. After noticing some of the irregularities one might think it's simply poorly written, but history has shown it is written as intended and not for the good of the average citizen but rather for developers.

The draft Senate legislative text, proposed amendment to the Energy and Natural Resources Act.

https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/DF7B7FBE-9866-4B69-8ACA-C661A4F18096

Attached is a doc that points out some of these, and asks some pointed questions.

You are right, It's also about the money like you say, And it is a tax. But the very word permit is the root word or word origin for permission or vice versa.

A PERMIt you pay for will give you PERMIssion.

 

[jxb]

The Chinese will probably buy it all.

They are talking up to 3m acres. Thats how much public land is in all of Nevada. Thats huge.

I'm guessing that's a typo and you meant 33m, and yeah that's a good chunk of it. BLM alone controls about 48m acres in Nevada, total federal is about 57m acres.

I suspect it's similar for many of the states on the list, Oregon has 32.6m acres of federal lands and they want to sell 21.7m acres. So basically all normal BLM and USFS lands.

Anyone that thinks this thread is about hunting and access is completely missing the forest for the trees. It's about fundamentally changing our country and certainly not for the good of the public or future generations.

 

[Davers]

Exactly! anyone remember this old song, "This Land Is Your Land, This Land Is My Land"? Yeah right. The land was stolen a long time ago.

Sounds like this issue is the "Elite" preparing to buy up all the land for themselves. They want to own land far from the urban spraw, as they think it will be safer, when society falls appart.

 

[ELR LVR]

Sounds like this issue is the "Elite" preparing to buy up all the land for themselves. They want to own land far from the urban spraw, as they think it will be safer, when society falls appart.

We've (The US) have taken out debts/loans we can't repay using our land as collateral.
and they (The Elites) loaned us as many trillions as we wanted knowing eventually .....
they would collect the collateral.
It has been the ultimate plan since the revolutionary war.
We were free, until we gave up our land.
Another reason the Elites keep spurring wars, funding both sides
So they can issue loans to fund the war that cannot be repaid.
They even take out loans using us, THE PEOPLE, as collateral
(Human.......resources)
since a typical person will generate approx $750,000.00 over their lifetime in taxes.
They can take out a loan on that person the moment they are born.
Just one reason a Birth Cert. was invented.
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It's not a scheme, it's not a conspiracy theory.
It's just smart business, The United States ...no longer "These United States"
is a Corporation now, not a free country.
The head of which being in Washington D.C.....which is not part of The United States
But a Corporation owned by....London
..........Or the British
(Fed Reserve is a privately owned company that does not belong to America)
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Are things starting to make sense now?
It's messed up and gets worse the deeper you go down the rabbit hole.
We used to actually OWN our own property, but now we get whats called
a Certificate of title, which is not a title at all, but a certificate which states that a title exists somewhere
Ever wonder how a city/ State can tax you on land you supposedly own?
They didnt used to be able to if you actually owned it, by Allodial Title, which is the Supreme title.
But they will not issue those anymore because then they cannot tax you or take out loans on land YOU actually paid them for.
They try to retain and hold the allodial title.
It's what the Govt holds on their land which is why they have sovereign immunity and can do what they want.
It's based on Fief Law
---"A fief was the central element of the European feudal society consisting of heritable property or rights granted by an overlord to a vassal who held it for a fee in return for a form of feudal allegiance and service."
The Vassal, to make him feel good about all this was given a title
"Lord of the Manor"
Another reason why our original 13th Amendment stated
If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them.
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However the Loophole of the NEW 13th Amendment got rid of free and unfree and instead made us all subject to be slaves...the loophole instead being
it allowed an exception—slavery was still legal if it was used as punishment for a crime. Opening the door again for forced labor, now for ALL PEOPLE. These types of people are called, "Citizens"
If you had Allodial title you would have the same rights as the Govt on that land.
It is where the term "Man is King of his Castle" came from
Because initially every man was King of his land, legally speaking.
But I'd still rather live here than any other place regardless of what's really happening behind the scenes.

 

[TC260]

We've (The US) have taken out debts/loans we can't repay

Agreed. $37,000,000,000,000 in debt, anybody who's ever had to pay off a large debt knows it comes with a lot of painful spending cuts. In this case though there's massive cuts that can be made to plenty of other things before we start losing our public lands.

 

[ELR LVR]

Now if anyone wishes to question this all I have to ask is one question...
What did you pay for your Land with?
Real Money, which has intrinsic value because it is backed by something such as Gold or Silver.
Or
Fiat Money, which has no intrinsic value and is not backed by anything

 

[ELR LVR]

Agreed. $37,000,000,000,000 in debt, anybody who's ever had to pay off a large debt knows it comes with a lot of painful spending cuts. In this case though there's massive cuts that can be made to plenty of other things before we start losing our public lands.

NASA would be the first thing I would cut funding on.
Really? Do we need to spend $25 Billion/yr exploring outer space?
Who pays for that?

 

[Fuj]

Like anything, it's political. The Dems have sucked up lands for preservation
and conservation, while the republicans want it sold and opened up for prosperity,
The knife cuts both ways. Everything results from legislation until the scales get
tipped. Between the bankers, and developers, and their affiliations, certain bills
get more momentum then others. These bills chisel bit by bit......This is the current
happenings.

 

[ELR LVR]

The bad part of all this is 2 Key Factors I see:

1. "selling off public lands will not reduce federal spending to any significant degree."
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2. "The goal is to maximize revenue to offset the massive tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy."
Per this report:

250 million acres of public land to be sold off

Legislation mandates that two government agencies sell more than 2 million acres over the next five years.

www.newsweek.com

 

[redrockranger]

What do you think they are going to do with this land? You don't think they will develop this land at some point? Or sell it to some one who will develop it anyway they can. It does not have to be houses. It's also foreign factories and any other way those special interest groups want to make money. It's not about an individuals building a house, it's about building thousands of houses. It's happening now in AZ. And we don't have the water to support that growth, but they don't care. In Az it's illegal to stop a developer from building a tract of hundreds of houses because of lack of water. The LAW states that they can haul water if the ground water dries up. That's the law. Where they are going to haul it from is beyond me. That is insane and that is what is happening. That's pretty short term thinking so they must know some thing we don't. It's treason to speak up and I don't understand why there is no outrage from the people that this will impact the most. It seems like if it was the 60's , people would be burning down these insane housing developments if they knew the impact they are going to have on their future. Maybe that's why the Government legalizes pot. Seems like a scene from a MAD magazine.

A government is not going to haul water free.