scope won't come down

[Kian]

Gun: Savage barreled in 6br 8 twist
Scope: Nikon 4.5x14x40 with mil dot
Rings: Burris Z with inserts

Issue: While shooting 100yrds I have to hold low using the third dot as center. I have already and put the +5 insert in the back but nothing in the front and still am shooting this high.

What should I do next?
Add more to the rear?
Subtract from the front?

I get great groups but just have to aim so darn low with the dots, heck I thought you used the dots for way out distance.

Thanks for the help
Kian

 

[LarryDScott]

You have got the insert in the wrong ring. Raising the rear will give you the capability to adjust your scope to shoot higher. If you dont have a need for increased elevation, put 0s in all rings. Larry in western Ky.

 

[NateHaler]

Gun: Savage barreled in 6br 8 twist
Scope: Nikon 4.5x14x40 with mil dot
Rings: Burris Z with inserts

Issue: While shooting 100yrds I have to hold low using the third dot as center. I have already and put the +5 insert in the back but nothing in the front and still am shooting this high.
Kian

The 'third dot' below the reticle intersection or above?

If you're using the dot below the horizontal crosshair, then you're aiming way HIGH, and you have your scope tilted too far foward,leaning towards the muzzle).

If you mean the dot above the horizontal crosshair, then you have your scope tilted backwards,towards the muzzle).

 

[Kian]

Nate great catch, I have to use the third dot above the crosshair intersection. If I use the intersection I am about 10' high at 100yrds. When I drop the intersection down and use the high 3rd do I am right in the bull no problem all day long.

Kian

 

[golfer2b2000]

Had the same problem. Here is what the guys here told me...If your shooting low, the bell of the scope has to go 'low'...If your shootin high, then the bell has to go 'high'...Easy to remember...Gene

 

[Kian]

Here is alittle update with the scope, I had it all setup,yes it is still 10' high) and went to a varmint match and first relay finished 2nd and second relay tied for 1st with a custom 6PPC. Not to bad shooting a bum scope.

Anyways talked with several shooting with all different years of experince they all gave me different ideas but nothing seemed to work, when it was all said and done I still had the evelation knob turned all the way done and was still 10' high at 100yrds.

All of the shooters suggested calling Nikon and have it sent in for a check up as they were sure Nikon would stand behind there product. That's were I think I am going next.

Kian

 

[BoydAllen]

You need to lower the back of your scope. If I remember correctly the Burris inserts are paired so that a plus 5 is paired with a minus five. If you put the plus five on the top of the scope in the rear ring and the minus five on the bottom, You will have lowered the scope by .oo5 from where it would be if you were using the zero inserts. On the other hand, if in doing so you are reversing their positions from where they are currently, you will be making a change of .010 downward at the rear ring,the direction you need to go) What inserts do you have, and what is the exact center to center distance of your scope rings.,Use a dial caliper to measure outside to outside, and subtract the width of one ring.) With that distance, I can calculate how much your point of impact will change at a given distance from making an insert change. BTW when you put the plus five insert in the back did you change the insert half that goes under the scope? If you did not, all you did was to raise the rear ring cap, and your point fo impact would be unchanged.

 

[Ackman]

Move the back of the scope - the eyepiece - in the direction you want the bullet impact to go. You don't want the scope adjustments maxed out. Center them in their adjustment range then use the Signature inserts to get your scope boresighted as close as possible.

Your front and rear bases aren't necessarily on the same plane. Easy to check this with a straightedge. Also check your ring inserts with a caliper. People have posted about some of them being mismarked. The actual measured numbers aren't so important as getting the high ones where you want them in relation to the low ones.

 

[Shootndig]

'Rings:Burris Z with inserts'
CHECK YOUR BASES!
You may have 1) MOA bases
2) The wrong bases
3) Bases in the wrong position,depending on model)
4) Mixed/ Wrong rings and or inserts.

Just another side note. I've had more than one scope that once adjusted to the stop on the turret a little too firmly, would never track correctly after that. Also every time I've gotten into a situation such as yours, it has always turned out to be the the bases,rings,or in one case the reciever, or a bad combination of components on my part. Couldn't ever blame it on the scope, but I suppose it could happen. Just sayin'.

 

[NateHaler]

You need to lower the back of your scope.

Wrong. His scope is already tilted too far 'backward'. He needs to tilt the scope forward.

Original poster, you are deluded in thinking the scope is the culprit. Your Burris ring inserts are the culprit, or your scope mount.

Start by mounting the scope on a flat base, with no offsets in the rings. It's not the scope. It's you -- user error.

 

[Ackman]

You need to lower the back of your scope.

Wrong. His scope is already tilted too far 'backward'. He needs to tilt the scope forward.

No, he's right. Bullet POI is high, the back of the scope needs to come down.

 

[AlNyhus]

Draw a straight line from the imaginary muzzle to the target center. Then draw another line from an imaginary scope so it hits the target where the 'barrel line' does.

It'll take all of 15 seconds to realize which way the scope needs to tilt to change the p.o.i. on the target.

 

[CJ6]

As Nate said,put the ZERO inserts back in,both F/R rings). Now CAREFULLY bottom your Ele. turret out,next count the clicks to the Top by turning the Ele. knob, divide that number by 2, come back down that number of clicks. Your scope should now be centered,Elevation wise). If your scope has for eg.40 moa adj.,TOTAL) you would /should have 20 moa up or down travel at this time. The only time I use a tapered base or inserts is when I have to use more than 1/2 my up/down clicks,10 moa in this case).While the scope is off DBL.check that your bases are installed properly. Try this and see what happens. If you are still shooting high 10 inches put a -.005 insert in the bottom REAR ring and a +.005 in the top of the rear ring,Then with the FRONT ring put a +.005 in the bottom and -.005 in the top that will give you a total of 10 moa SCOPE UP ANGLE @ the Bell.

 

[fdshuster]

Ackman: PM sent

 

[StevenDzupin]

FYI, Burris had a problem with mislabeled inserts!

Measure to be sure of what you think you have.

Regards,

Steve

 

[Kian]

Wow, have had alot of different comments and ideas.

One thing that I did want to say incase I missed it in the first post is that this scope was already mount in the rings before. I slid the rings off the base put it aside and changed the barrel,savage action) slid the scope back on the mounts inserted the 2 screws and tighed up.

I never removed the bases, messed with the rings or so forth. I only switched barrels. And yes it shot normal with the other barrel out to 400yrds with little adjustment. Only after it would not come down did I start messing with the inserts as it had all zero's in it before.

A side note I contacted Nikon and they said send it in it may have a malfunction. Because it never acted up before this time.

Kian