SC brings back the firing squad

[mattri]

I think they should put in an express lane and offer it on pay per view, proceeds go to the victims. Pedos on Monday nights, Murderers on Wednesday and Thieves on Friday Nights. Watch the crime rate fall to nearly zero.

Unfortunately this simply isn't true. As much as rational people would think that direct, violent repercussions would be a deterrent to future offenders it just isn't the case.
I do not believe in any kind of higher power, certainly don't get my morals from any book.
None of that is what makes executions a good idea.
Executions are evictions.
They are society saying "you don't get to live with us anymore- you've chosen to act in a way that is so far beyond reprehensible that we're kicking you out, you don't get to breath our air or feel out sun, we're not trying to help you were ridding ourselves of your presence".
That is a good thing.

 

[450BM]

I think you guys have been watching too many movie’s, if you think an innocent man has a chance of getting executed.

I don’t entirely disagree with this but, Derek Chauvin is sitting in prison, not on death row but he was stabbed 20 times (I believe) last year. It might as well be death row for him.

Sitting on death row for 20 years will never change because it’s government that controls it and we have no say in what they do. Too much money be made…

 

[dryhumor]

Sitting on death row for 20 years will never change because it’s government that controls it and we have no say in what they do. Too much money be made…

Neither will sitting on the taxpayer’s dime for decades due to the three strike laws in place….

 

[NorCalMikie]

I kind of like how japan administrates their death penalty. You are condemned, tossed in a cell and forgotten about....no date, no nothing. It might happen 3 years or 10 years down the road but you won't find out til the morning of your death. One day they show up at your cell and tell you it's your time. A couple hours later sentence is carried out by hanging.

Here they have months and years to mentally prepare. You have regular contact with your "spiritual advisor", your lawyer, etc. Then, 20-30 years later, after months of planning, your last meal and visits with your family, they execute you.

In the middle east, you steal, they cut off your hand. What do they do if you rape??
But they can and will kill their own daughter because she loves someone they don't like because SHE shames her family???
Talk about Fu**** up?? And we send $$$$ their way to keep them as friends when they are yelling Death to America??

 

[NorCalMikie]

Neither will sitting on the taxpayer’s dime for decades due to the three strike laws in place….

How bout 3 strikes and YOU'RE OUT!! Some of the animals DO know how to work the system but I think what WE need more than anything else is folks that know to Lock and Load.

 

[bobcat93]

What if the gaurds suck at shooting, and make a mess of it..blow off an ear, one through the cheek, one in the shoulder...does the prisoners get released..
Hahaha
If i had to be shot to death ..i would want Jerry Miculek to do it..pew pew pew in .010 of a second..

 

[Hipshoot]

What if the gaurds suck at shooting, and make a mess of it..blow off an ear, one through the cheek, one in the shoulder...does the prisoners get released..
Hahaha
If i had to be shot to death ..i would want Jerry Miculek to do it..pew pew pew in .010 of a second..

I prefer summary exicutions-----saves time and money. No paying of court fees, no clothing, health care, or food for prisoners.

The lawyers won't make any money, but who likes lawyers any way?

 

[Steve Donlon]

One thing I have learned living in Arizona is that an armed society is a polite society. SO if all the states where like Arizona with their gun laws it would be different. If you look at this list it shows the people on death row by state and it does look pretty cut and dry that they are guilty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_death_row_inmates_in_the_United_States I don't know what good the death penalty does if they don't use it on these people. who cares if they have a firing squad if this is what they do.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

Bad convictions happen. I do think a firing squad is a good solution.

Federal appeals court reverses Texas death row inmate’s conviction

Brittany Marlowe Holberg was convicted in 1998 of robbing and murdering an 80-year-old man in his Amarillo home. The appeals court said critical evidence was withheld.

www.texastribune.org

 

[cavedweller60]

Bad convictions happen.

Federal appeals court reverses Texas death row inmate’s conviction

Brittany Marlowe Holberg was convicted in 1998 of robbing and murdering an 80-year-old man in his Amarillo home. The appeals court said critical evidence was withheld.

www.texastribune.org

I agree, it is possible for a bad conviction to happen but, citing a case that was tried nearly 30 years ago doesn't prove that argument. Things have changed a lot in court procedure.

First, A quick search about the case shows that your assertion is misguided. There is no doubt Holberg killed the man, her lawyer admitted it and used a self defense argument. The lawyer described the killing in detail during the trial. The problem with the case comes from the fact that the prosecution used a jailhouse snitch to get incriminating statements from Holberg but, they didn't disclose the snitches relationship with the police....not hat she didn't do it.

Then, there is the fact that, in this case and as in many earlier cases, a judge actually decided the sentence for Holberg and, this can't happen anymore. This was changed in 2002 I believe. Now, a unanimous jury decision is needed for a death sentence in 99.9999% of cases. A judge will review the jury's decision to ensure everything is proper but, the judge trying to subvert the decision is frankly, not going to happen.

Lastly, she wasn't found innocent, not guilty or anything else...the case was sent back to the lower court to see how they want to proceed.

 

[ELR LVR]

I've been saying since Grade School when we learned about companies like Maybeline....
Testing their products on Guinea Pigs to see if they're safe or not.
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The people on death row, are the ones who should be used as Pharmceutical .."Test guinea pigs,"
since the testing is for humans anyways,
Test Apples to Appples
Not Apples to Oranges
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As far as any PTSD for being the "Executioner" as ones job....
............... if the persons crimes were advertised, knowing how terrible and utterly wicked some of them are
I can guarantee almost half of America would be VOLUNTEERING....
........to be in the shooting squad to get it done.
#Ted Bundy

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

I agree, it is possible for a bad conviction to happen but, citing a case that was tried nearly 30 years ago doesn't prove that argument. Things have changed a lot in court procedure.

First, A quick search about the case shows that your assertion is misguided. There is no doubt Holberg killed the man, her lawyer admitted it and used a self defense argument. The lawyer described the killing in detail during the trial. The problem with the case comes from the fact that the prosecution used a jailhouse snitch to get incriminating statements from Holberg but, they didn't disclose the snitches relationship with the police....not hat she didn't do it.

Then, there is the fact that, in this case and as in many earlier cases, a judge actually decided the sentence for Holberg and, this can't happen anymore. This was changed in 2002 I believe. Now, a unanimous jury decision is needed for a death sentence in 99.9999% of cases. A judge will review the jury's decision to ensure everything is proper but, the judge trying to subvert the decision is frankly, not going to happen.

Lastly, she wasn't found innocent, not guilty or anything else...the case was sent back to the lower court to see how they want to proc

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

The jury wasn't allowed to consider the 'independent, unbiased' witness was a jail house informant/snitch who was compensated for her testimony. The Defense team never knew the witness was a compensated individual. That is a 'bad' conviction IMO. And the jury sentenced her to death. The Judge pronounced the sentence, but the jury assessed the DP.

 

[Steve Donlon]

https://projectcoldcase.org/cold-case-homicide-stats/ this is the numbers of unsolved killings in the US state by state. How many where people doing what the court should have done? Not saying it's right. Maybe that's one reason there are so many.

 

[cavedweller60]

The jury wasn't allowed to consider the 'independent, unbiased' witness was a jail house informant/snitch who was compensated for her testimony. The Defense team never knew the witness was a compensated individual. That is a 'bad' conviction IMO. And the jury sentenced her to death. The Judge pronounced the sentence, but the jury assessed the DP.

It may be a bad sentence but, as I said, she admits, as did her lawyer, that she killed him. So, the conviction seems fine. The snitch said that Holbert killed him for drugs and that she "would do it again", which is likely a factor that resulted in a death sentence. the death sentence.

According to the article I read about it, the judge made the sentencing decision but, after reading court transcripts for her appeal, it appears it was the jury as you said. I can't find anywhere if it was unanimous though.

Like I said though, she did kill him and, apparently robbed his body. She claims self defense but, in my experience, if someone admits to the killing as she did, the main argument used in their defense is self defense.

Did she deserve the death penalty?...I can't say, I wasn't there and I can't seem to find the transcripts from the original trial. The only thing I can find is her first appeal in 2000.

My opinion on the conviction, judging only from reading what she admitted to, is that she should have been convicted.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

It may be a bad sentence but, as I said, she admits, as did her lawyer, that she killed him. So, the conviction seems fine. The snitch said that Holbert killed him for drugs and that she "would do it again", which is likely a factor that resulted in a death sentence. the death sentence.

According to the article I read about it, the judge made the sentencing decision but, after reading court transcripts for her appeal, it appears it was the jury as you said. I can't find anywhere if it was unanimous though.

Like I said though, she did kill him and, apparently robbed his body. She claims self defense but, in my experience, if someone admits to the killing as she did, the main argument used in their defense is self defense.

Did she deserve the death penalty?...I can't say, I wasn't there and I can't seem to find the transcripts from the original trial. The only thing I can find is her first appeal in 2000.

My opinion on the conviction, judging only from reading what she admitted to, is that she should have been convicted.

When legal people use the term 'bad conviction' they generally mean, bad judge, DA cheated, withheld evidence, juror lied to get on the jury, something bad enough to cast doubt on the outcome. Not all killings are murder. A killing in self defense is not murder. The jury decides if a killing is murder, negligent homicide (or other legal findings) or not guilty. There can be any number of reasons for a badly flawed trial. The 5Cir Court of Appeals in NO is not known as a pushover federal appellate court. The appellate judges in New Orleans thought it was bad enough to find the defendant deserved a new trial. If next jury hears all the evidence and finds her G and gives her death, so be it.

 

[cavedweller60]

When legal people use the term 'bad conviction' they generally mean, bad judge, DA cheated, withheld evidence, juror lied to get on the jury, something bad enough to cast doubt on the outcome. Not all killings are murder. A killing in self defense is not murder. The jury decides if a killing is murder, negligent homicide or not guilty. There can be any number of reasons for the badly flawed trial. The 5Cir Court of Appeals in NO is not known as a pushover federal appellate court. The appellate judges in New Orleans thought it was bad enough to find the defendant deserved a new trial. If next jury hears all the evidence and finds her G and gives her death, so be it.

I don't disagree with anything you said except. It was a bad trial but, the fact is, she beat, stabbed an 80 yo man and robbed him after he was dead.....she admitted to those facts. The only thing in question is, was it self defense...the claim everybody makes. It certainly doesn't sound like self defense to me. I do agree though, that she should get a new trial because the state concealed the fact that the witness they used to show how callous Holberg was was, was a snitch and that wasn't disclosed.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Nobody wants to hear it BUT, post their bail and when they hit the courthouse steps, drop them like a bad habit!!
Might talk to the Clintons. Been said THEY know how to get rid of people they don't like?

 

[Gary in MD]

That’s for sure, if they had dirt on the Clintons, they wouldn’t be around long!

 

[NorCalMikie]

That’s for sure, if they had dirt on the Clintons, they wouldn’t be around long!

Maybe if THEY looked hard enough and REALLY wanted to get them, they could. Sounds like crooked politics (as usual) to me.