SC brings back the firing squad

[Kracken McGraw]

New billboard crossing into the State of South Carolina reads:
The Death Penalty in our State is Real.
FAFO.

 

[JB10]

I do not wish for an execution to be humane. Look at the victims, most victims suffer for no reason. Why should the guilty have injections that put them to sleep painlessly then kill them. They did nothing humane to the victims.

 

[Capt Call]

He should get the bat treatment. Start at his feet and go up. He should have no say in how he dies.

 

[abishai]

They should use red rider BB guns, It may take 5 or 6 thousand shots
but very effective

 

[TIMO]

That hanging pic is not too correct. I was in a museum once and saw a page out of a British hangman manual on how much rope (drop) was needed based on body weight to break the neck. ie a 120 lb man needed 10 ft. Me? about 4ft!

I think the Army at one time had a FM (Field Manual) on how to execute the process.
Tim

 

[DirtySteve]

Is there a sign up sheet for this? I think a 308 and a hunting bullet would do the trick nicely..

 

[tred1956]

This is what was used:

The state will use .308-caliber Winchester 110-grain TAP Urban ammunition often found in police rifles, said Colie Rushton, the director of Security and Emergency Operations at the Corrections Department.

 

[davidjoe]

I do not wish for an execution to be humane. Look at the victims, most victims suffer for no reason. Why should the guilty have injections that put them to sleep painlessly then kill them. They did nothing humane to the victims.

There is a certain personal satisfaction to the symmetry, but at the dispersement of punishment phase it runs afoul of the precept that what such person did, was wrong in the first place.

If an arsonist burns down another’s house, the sentence will never be to require him to see his own house with memorabilia burned down. If a neighbor poisons the barking dog nearby, neither the owner nor the state may kill that person’s dog so that he experiences what it was like, by having his own dog killed. If a mugger knocks one’s teeth out, he can’t be similarly assaulted as any part of his penalty.

It is interesting that U.S. policy prohibits torture and desecration but not imposing death. The Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Taking away liberty and possessions (and life) is appropriate punishment but injuring, depriving and inflicting pain on the body of another never has been, even though it is not inconsistent with one of the prongs of the justice system, retribution (the others being deterrence, incapacitation and rehabilitation).

This is certainly not a universally held value. Even US tourists get caned. The same founders that were concerned about a large government and the right to bear arms put this somewhat arbitrary “shield” around our bodies (while living).

It is possible that they collectively recalled but rejected centuries of sovereign monarchs usurping every fiber of individuals’ existence along with overwrought mechanical punishment as a public pastime, and an offering to the people, as not to be repeated, here.

It could be they thought that inflicting pain fans that set of emotions they considered prurient and disapproved of experiencing, - hedonism. (Some version of do what must be done without deriving impure pleasure). They did after all proscribe a broad panoply of human behavior, as immoral. I don’t know the reason(s) and some were probably privately held, but something caused them to tamp down human nature, that really has stuck with us.

 

[bobm]

This is what was used:

The state will use .308-caliber Winchester 110-grain TAP Urban ammunition often found in police rifles, said Colie Rushton, the director of Security and Emergency Operations at the Corrections Department.

110 gr TAP URBAN® - Hornady Law Enforcement

...

www.hornadyle.com

It's a V-Max for bad guys.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

There is a certain personal satisfaction to the symmetry, but at the dispersement of punishment phase runs afoul of the precept that what such person did, was wrong in the first place.

If an arsonist burns down another’s house, the sentence will never be to require him to see his own house with memorabilia burned down. If a neighbor poisons the barking dog nearby, neither the owner nor the state may kill that person’s dog so that he experiences what it was like, by having his own dog killed. If a mugger knocks one’s teeth out, he can’t be similarly assaulted as any part of his penalty.

It is interesting that U.S. policy prohibits torture but not imposing death. The Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Taking away liberty and possessions (and life) is appropriate punishment but injuring, depriving and inflicting pain on the body of another never has been.

This is certainly not a universal value. Even US tourists can get caned. The same founders that were concerned about a large government and the right to bear arms put this “shield” around our bodies.

It is possible that they collectively recalled centuries of sovereign monarchies usurping every fiber of individuals’ existence along with overwrought mechanical punishment as a public pastime, and an offering to the people, not to be repeated, here. I don’t know, but something caused them to tamp down human nature, that really has stuck.

We have to consider murder as the final bad act that no one can do, a line in the sand so to speak. The death penalty is the only deterrent to keep human nature above animal instinct. It’s a Commandment and we should never go soft on it.

 

[JumboSammich]

I always liked the public hanging scene in " Hang 'Em High".

 

[Gary in MD]

I’m concerned.
You say that you had trouble killing a hog with a revolver and several rounds of ammo?

 

[Rwfish]

Unfortunately I think the left will use this as a means to not only vilify the death penalty but also use it as a means to prove that firearms are only used to kill trying to drive further restrictions…

 

[davidjoe]

I’m concerned.
You say that you had trouble killing a hog with a revolver and several rounds of ammo?

That day, long ago, I indeed made it look really hard to do, Gary.

Edit, I should clarify, my comment was relating what is proof to me that even close range shooting can be messed up by a practiced shooter, not my particular concern for a bludgeoner.

Executions are solemn acts whose purposes are undercut when competency and mistakes become the focus.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Three rifleman from 15 feet away. South Carolina granted this request yesterday.

Idaho reinstated the method of execution after so many failed lethal injections. I think I heard five states permit this election, but no one had opted for it in 15 years until now.

I’m really perplexed how something like fentanyl, which is a component of surgical anesthesia and a predominant cause of death in our country amongst drug users, and which is evidently extremely easy to overdose on, eludes the states’ prison bureaus.

Are states not bogging down in bureaucratic bungling this macabre but straight forward task, now unnecessarily dramatic? Regular people have accomplished this act since, Cain, offspring number “one.”

If our states cannot accomplish an intentional overdose (you can only underdo it) with a prepared IV drip on a secured inmate, is three guys standing beside each other with high powered rifles - I’m wagering shooting their first human, not fraught with quite a bit of potential mishap?

Questions I have:

1) when these employees inevitably claim PTSD, hearing damage, inability to sleep, familial strife, fallout from being doxxed, and all obtain social security disability, how much will these executions really cost them and us?

2) do they tryout for this? what do they do the rest of the time; I really hope this is not the “full-time” job;

3) is rifle handling, presumably indoors out of view, and steadily aiming a rifle at a man’s heart while standing and coordinating shots on verbal command supposed to be the more foolproof execution alternative?

I can’t help but think of once when a trapped hog I shot didn’t die humanely with the rounds I had on hand in a revolver. It just seems like a move toward the spectacle of it all.

Not MY soapbox BUT, it's funny how the powers that be can make a BIG DEAL out of killing someone convicted of killing another person with NO remorse but have NO PROBLEMS with the ABORTION of an unborn baby. What's wrong with this picture?

If someone gets the death penalty, ship them to Texas and put them on the FAST TRACK!! You've got 30 days to appeal then DONE!! (by whatever means doable, and NO you have no choice in the matter)
No more of this 20 years on death row B*** S***.
Start with the ones on the bottom of the list that have been there (on death row) the longest, burn them and move on up till it's 10 days and a wakeup and you're DONE. They should be damn glad they got the 10 days. NEXT?

 

[M-61]

I think the Army at one time had a FM (Field Manual) on how to execute the process.
Tim

Pvt. Eddie Slovik in 1945
I’m sure the military has a manual for this as they have one for everything else.
Prior to Slovik you have to go back to the Civil War for a firing squad to actually be used by the US military.
Firing squads used by the British and French in both WW1 & WW2 were way more common than you’d imagine.
SAD= Shot at dawn

 

[JB10]

There is a certain personal satisfaction to the symmetry, but at the dispersement of punishment phase runs afoul of the precept that what such person did, was wrong in the first place.

If an arsonist burns down another’s house, the sentence will never be to require him to see his own house with memorabilia burned down. If a neighbor poisons the barking dog nearby, neither the owner nor the state may kill that person’s dog so that he experiences what it was like, by having his own dog killed. If a mugger knocks one’s teeth out, he can’t be similarly assaulted as any part of his penalty.

It is interesting that U.S. policy prohibits torture but not imposing death. The Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Taking away liberty and possessions (and life) is appropriate punishment but injuring, depriving and inflicting pain on the body of another never has been, even though it is not inconsistent with one of the prongs of the justice system, retribution.

This is certainly not a universal value. Even US tourists can get caned. The same founders that were concerned about a large government and the right to bear arms put this somewhat arbitrary “shield” around our bodies (while living).

It is possible that they collectively recalled centuries of sovereign monarchies usurping every fiber of individuals’ existence along with overwrought mechanical punishment as a public pastime, and an offering to the people, not to be repeated, here.

It could be they thought that inflicting pain fans that set of emotions they considered prurient and disapproved of experiencing, - hedonism. They did after all proscribe a broad panoply of human behavior, as immoral. I don’t know the reason(s) and some were probably privately held, but something caused them to tamp down human nature, that really has stuck.

If bad people started getting actual punishment for their actions it possibly could be a wake up call for others thinking about doing bad. If they see what happened to so and so they might say i dont want to go through that. Kinda like when parents spanked their kids. It sure made me think twice. I had several friends in and out of jail. When they were about to do stupid things i went home. I knew what my dad would do to me. I think i turned out alright. My old friends on the other hand, not so much

 

[NorCalMikie]

Every time I got in trouble. I remember my Mom saying, "You had your nose in someone else's business didn't you??? Some things you NEVER forget. Thanks Mom.

 

[NorCalMikie]

And we don't need/won't get into crooked politics and politicians and what THEY get away with and NOTHING happens???

 

[cavedweller60]

Not MY soapbox BUT, it's funny how the powers that be can make a BIG DEAL out of killing someone convicted of killing another person with NO remorse but have NO PROBLEMS with an ABORATION of an unborn baby. What's wrong with this picture?

If someone gets the death penalty, ship them to Texas and put them on the FAST TRACK!! You've got 30 days to appeal then DONE!! (by whatever means doable, and YOU have no choice)
No more of this 20 years on death row B*** S***.
Start with the ones on the bottom of the list that have been there (on death row) the longest, burn them and move on up till it's 10 days and a wakeup and you're DONE. They should be damn glad they got the 10 days. NEXT?

I kind of like how japan administrates their death penalty. You are condemned, tossed in a cell and forgotten about....no date, no nothing. It might happen 3 years or 10 years down the road but you won't find out til the morning of your death. One day they show up at your cell and tell you it's your time. A couple hours later sentence is carried out by hanging.

Here they have months and years to mentally prepare. You have regular contact with your "spiritual advisor", your lawyer, etc. Then, 20-30 years later, after months of planning, your last meal and visits with your family, they execute you.