SC brings back the firing squad

[NorCalMikie]

Last cigarette laced with fentanyl, save the drama.

But, but, but cigarettes will kill you!!

 

[cavedweller60]

On the execution by firing squad, didn’t it use to be that one rifle was loaded with a blank to make an uncertainty for the shooter’s?

You are correct, that is how it has historically been handled. They found that the reduction in recoil experienced gave it away anyway. They tried wax bullets on at least one execution but, I am unaware of what the result was. On this execution...South Carolina, all shooters had loaded weapons and, they only used 3. In the past, they had at least 5 shooters, maybe more.

 

[ISS]

We have it back in Idaho now, as well. I volunteered...

 

[Evan]

I am not a biblical scholar or, for that matter, notably educated on the bible but, depending on which version you prefer, I believe you are wrong. It is definitely addressed in the OT in Exodus 21:12. It is seemingly addressed, and allowed, in the NT in Romans 13:1-4.

I was careful with my words intentionally. The bible is an expansive collection. Most verses, including the ones you cite do not elevate the reader and student to a call to action. Exodus “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.” Does not grant upon us the right to extend that punishment, and rightfully so. It is shakey ground to suggest that I, the reader and student, am the governing authority established by God. The commandments are stridently different and unambiguous on their call to action: “thou shall….”

 

[NorCalMikie]

I was careful with my words intentionally. The bible is an expansive collection. Most verses, including the ones you cite do not elevate the reader and student to a call to action. Exodus “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.” Does not grant upon us the right to extend that punishment, and rightfully so. It is shakey ground to suggest that I, the reader and student, am the governing authority established by God. The commandments are stridently different and unambiguous on their call to action: “thou shall….”

But there's that THANG about "An eye for an eye".
Better GET OFF the Bible thing or this thread WILL get DUMPED!!
Then there's "An Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"?
Pick your battels well.

 

[G Liles]

I consider myself a follower of the teachings of Jesus and I don’t believe there were any exceptions or ambiguity around murder, state sanctioned or not.

I don’t consider the execution of a man that has been sentenced to death by a jury of his peers murder, it’s called JUSTICE!!

 

[rardoin]

@davidjoe David, I'm with you brother. How can Lethal Injection as a means of execution be considered inhumane when the same drugs are being used daily thousands of times in operating rooms across the world??? How many of the ones screaming about this have also not refused the same drugs when administered for comfort and pain control related to surgical procedures they endured. Lunacy! I agree, you would have to be majorly incompetent to NOT be able to have a successful lethal intravenous execution. I administer many of these drugs on a daily basis and have done so for over 35yrs. If I did not want one of my patients to wake up, it would be rather simple. On a related note.... a number of years back, a patient and I were discussing a surgical procedure he was to have. Every time I would mention one of the phases of the surgery, the old cajun would respond with "Mais Doc, I bet dats gonna be expensive". When he made the same comment in regards to the anesthesia that would be administered, I told him that was free...but I charge a lot to wake him up! We both had a good laugh.

 

[Knotwild]

Sadly, jail doesn’t reform some. I know a young man who got involved in drugs, theft including guns and a vehicle, eluded the law and when found barricaded himself in a house requiring police to shut down the neighborhood and call swat. Thankfully his father didn’t help him.

7 years later he’s released and goes to live with his father. Within a month he’s been arrested for driving without a license, driving a vehicle without the owners permission, and possession of stolen goods worth more than $10,000 and less than $20,000. The entire community he is living in is on pins and needles.

It is my opinion they should make civil cases unlawful in a justified shooting and stop persecuting citizens who lawfully protect themselves, their home, and or other people. Then the number of executions would be way down.

Consider the opinions candidates for Sheriff and Police Chief on self defense each time you vote.

 

[Deadmeat1899]

Well gentlemen I have witnessed a beheading in the Middle East. It was for a drug related crime. In the region where I was if caught with illegal drugs whether for sale or use it is an automatic death sentence. If you are in the general vicinity of said execution then you are forced forward and have no choice but to witness the execution. The military forces everyone forward to witness ( at gunpoint if necessary ). I can honestly say that this would have a dramatic impact, I believe on any future criminals that happen to be present!

 

[bsekf]

WOW! Interesting thread! There has to be an emotional effect on any executioner, regardless of the method. "Eye for an eye" I agree with till I consider the effect on the executioner. Our society seems to have little respect for life, so I agree executions should be public and swift, death row is unacceptable. But, "better a thousand murderers go free than execute one innocent man". A lot to consider! I don't understand how we can watch a crime being committed on the evening news and nobody get punished or a politician lies, steals and cheats and get little or no punishment. Or a crowd of spoiled brats in a prestigious school can fight with and spit on the police and it is called free speech.

 

[FNSafari]

"Or a crowd of spoiled brats in a prestigious school can fight with and spit on the police and it is called free speech."

It's really assault but perhaps the location is woke and the police departments hands are tied?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I think you guys have been watching too many movie’s, if you think an innocent man has a chance of getting executed.

 

[dryhumor]

Well gentlemen I have witnessed a beheading in the Middle East. It was for a drug related crime. In the region where I was if caught with illegal drugs whether for sale or use it is an automatic death sentence. If you are in the general vicinity of said execution then you are forced forward and have no choice but to witness the execution. The military forces everyone forward to witness ( at gunpoint if necessary ). I can honestly say that this would have a dramatic impact, I believe on any future criminals that happen to be present!

In a country where breasts, butt cheeks, and nipples are blurred out…. I’m not thinking a public execution stands a chance. Even though many games are showing a level of violence that is pretty impressive.

I’d figure half the viewers would call it fake news, the other half would juice the system with lawsuits ranging from PTSD to spontaneous blindness…

The only way the death penalty could become a more effective deterrent, would be when someone sentenced to death is executed the same day of sentencing.

 

[Steve Donlon]

I think you guys have been watching too many movie’s, if you think an innocent man has a chance of getting executed.

I think you are wrong about that. There are a lot of people that would wind up on a jury that would just go along with what they thought would not rock the boat, no back bone. For what I seen in todays society.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I think you are wrong about that. There are a lot of people that would wind up on a jury that would just go along with what they thought would not rock the boat, no back bone. For what I seen in todays society.

I would be a lot more worried about the guilty buying their way out of a sentence.

 

[Steve Donlon]

I would be a lot more worried about the guilty buying their way out of a sentence.

either way, it could go south with not much trouble now days.

 

[cavedweller60]

I think you are wrong about that. There are a lot of people that would wind up on a jury that would just go along with what they thought would not rock the boat, no back bone. For what I seen in todays society.

As I stated in an earlier comment, I can see people "going along" with the rest of the jury on a finding of guilt.

That being said, a death sentence is handed down by a unanimous jury...if a single juror holds out, the defendant would be subject to a lesser sentence.

If a juror is so weak and spineless that they go along with a death sentence when they didn't believe the defendant was guilty to begin with, that says far more about that individual than it does the system as a whole.

Then, after all that, a judge still reviews the sentencing recommendations. As far as I know, a judge can reduce the sentence but, if a sentence less than death is recommended, the judge can't overrule the jury and unilaterally institute the death penalty. There are a lot of safeguards in place to ensure that only the most deserving are put to death.

Have people been sentenced to death erroneously in the past?...yes. Is it LIKELY to happen now...doubtful.

 

[M-61]

I think you are wrong about that. There are a lot of people that would wind up on a jury that would just go along with what they thought would not rock the boat, no back bone. For what I seen in todays society.

Group think is always a concern

 

[Steve Donlon]

As I stated in an earlier comment, I can see people "going along" with the rest of the jury on a finding of guilt.

That being said, a death sentence is handed down by a unanimous jury...if a single juror holds out, the defendant would be subject to a lesser sentence.

If a juror is so weak and spineless that they go along with a death sentence when they didn't believe the defendant was guilty to begin with, that says far more about that individual than it does the system as a whole.

Then, after all that, a judge still reviews the sentencing recommendations. As far as I know, a judge can reduce the sentence but, if a sentence less than death is recommended, the judge can't overrule the jury and unilaterally institute the death penalty. There are a lot of safeguards in place to ensure that only the most deserving are put to death.

Have people been sentenced to death erroneously in the past?...yes. Is it LIKELY to happen now...doubtful.

I'm not talking about the system it's about "that individual" and the fact that it is more pervasive. And then there is race. I'm not against the death sentence but find it a very slippery slope and not for amusement. What next?

 

[cavedweller60]

I'm not talking about the system it's about "that individual" and the fact that is's more pervasive. And then there is way race. I'm not against the death sentence but find it a very slippery slope and not for amusement that is on the table. What next?

I hope you're wrong about people like that and the pervasivness of people like that. If there really are that many of them, our country is in worse trouble than I think.