Savage model 12 actions
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I can't answer your question but I will say this. From an engineering point of view, it would seem that a rigid action would be desirable. The fewer cut-outs the better from both a strength and rigidity standpoint, so a dual port action and/or one with a magazine would seem to be at a disadvantage. But how big is that disadvantage, if it exists at all? I suspect that you could count those who have done comparison rigidity tests on actions on one hand, except perhaps for those who manufacture them.
But proving that a more rigid and/or stronger action provides an increase in "pure accuracy" at the target (where it counts) isn't easy. That's because you would be looking for a very tiny improvement and there might not actually be any improvement to be measured. Even a simple thing like measuring something with a micrometer is not always accurate or repeatable because it depends so much on technique.
Shooting five bullets at a target and comparing them to five bullets shot under slightly circumstances is tricky......... REAL tricky. If you can put five bullets in one small hole and then shoot four more groups into the same small hole, then you and your equipment is ideal for testing tiny differences. But most folks can't do that. I can't do it and that's why I find it so hard to get real scientific data when I'm testing a tiny potential difference of one sort or another.
In other words, there is a great deal of "noise" associated with shooting groups and it's caused by countless factors; wind, hold, load, component inconsistencies, etc. etc. etc. Trying to tease tiny differences from such noisy data is so difficult as to be nearly impossible in some cases. And the smaller the potential difference in "pure accuracy", the harder it is to prove with any confidence.
I imagine that comparing a single port action with a dual port action would fall into the VERY VERY difficult category. Of course, that's not to say that someone won't answer your question with his version of the God's Honest Truth.
But proving that a more rigid and/or stronger action provides an increase in "pure accuracy" at the target (where it counts) isn't easy. That's because you would be looking for a very tiny improvement and there might not actually be any improvement to be measured. Even a simple thing like measuring something with a micrometer is not always accurate or repeatable because it depends so much on technique.
Shooting five bullets at a target and comparing them to five bullets shot under slightly circumstances is tricky......... REAL tricky. If you can put five bullets in one small hole and then shoot four more groups into the same small hole, then you and your equipment is ideal for testing tiny differences. But most folks can't do that. I can't do it and that's why I find it so hard to get real scientific data when I'm testing a tiny potential difference of one sort or another.
In other words, there is a great deal of "noise" associated with shooting groups and it's caused by countless factors; wind, hold, load, component inconsistencies, etc. etc. etc. Trying to tease tiny differences from such noisy data is so difficult as to be nearly impossible in some cases. And the smaller the potential difference in "pure accuracy", the harder it is to prove with any confidence.
I imagine that comparing a single port action with a dual port action would fall into the VERY VERY difficult category. Of course, that's not to say that someone won't answer your question with his version of the God's Honest Truth.
Appreciate your answer and time you spent Mozella -Thank you ! I use Rem's. and Savages for builds for the following reasons : Rem. has the most copied action design for a reason .Also with the availability of some of the best triggers made, they will shoot! Savage has the easy ability to change barrels and their changeable floating bolt head is a plus . The design of RBLP and dual ports are a joy to load and shoot for "prarrie" guns . Keep your answers coming !!!
Ok , another twist . The new remington 783 , rigid action , articulated bolt head , super fast lock time , easy open after firing , takes Savage barrels .
I've been converting to left load rt eject . Easy to do .
I really like these , some have issues with the firing pin assembly , it copies the Bat and Mossberg . It's good , has been cnc at Kentucky and being remington is better than the 700 coming in .
I've been converting to left load rt eject . Easy to do .
I really like these , some have issues with the firing pin assembly , it copies the Bat and Mossberg . It's good , has been cnc at Kentucky and being remington is better than the 700 coming in .
Would you mind calling me on this ? Gasper 815-282-3450 CST
DennisH
Life Time NRA member
I have both Actions (app 5 total) which have SSS's finishing touches, including their Evolution Triggers. I can't tell the difference between the two, all of them are very accurate.
Dennis
I was just getting ready to do a barrel swap on my kids Savage Axis from 22-250 to 6mmbr, we have a 783 also, will the 783 take the savage small shank barrel and is the swap as straight forward as doing savage 110/axis ? much prefer the 783 action over the savage Axis. Thanks
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
I think some of the dual ports had odd bolt spacing so stay with the one port in my opinion.
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