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Savage 6 BR at 300 yards

Yea another post, but for those whom seem to think Savage rifles don't shoot, I do have a couple that will hold there own against many factory rifles, and even a few customs. I decided to take the 12 twist BR out Sunday morning while I was testing my other two rifles and see how it fair at 300 yards since all I have done with it was work up a load at 100 and loaded up 50 rounds and set it aside.
I don't recall the load as I dropped the powder thru my Harrells measurer. The bullet though is an 87 vmax and a F205m primer. The first shot to the right was from a cold cleaned barrel then the next four wadded up under 1/2". So not too bad for a bone stock factory rifle.

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JamesnTN,
I have the F-class in 6BR and it will shoot 105 Berger's at .5 moa at three hundred yds. very consistently. My older gunsmith friend who's been a Remington man for ever, likes them for their being very accurate out of the box. Says it has a lot to do with the floating bolt head and the in house button rifled barrels.
 
Eraser said:
JamesnTN,
I have the F-class in 6BR and it will shoot 105 Berger's at .5 moa at three hundred yds. very consistently. My older gunsmith friend who's been a Remington man for ever, likes them for their being very accurate out of the box. Says it has a lot to do with the floating bolt head and the in house button rifled barrels.

I have the twin to the LRPV 12 twist also in an 8 twist both shoot very well. I can remember the day when I swore I'd never own one and now I own two.
 
JamesnTN said:
,,,,,,,, I can remember the day when I swore I'd never own one and now I own two.

I seem to recall those days as well and now I have four, two being Rimfire that shoot almost as well (with the right ammo) as the centerfires that shoot lights out.

Alex
 
JamesnTN said:
Yea another post, but for those whom seem to think Savage rifles don't shoot, I do have a couple that will hold there own against many factory rifles, and even a few customs. I decided to take the 12 twist BR out Sunday morning while I was testing my other two rifles and see how it fair at 300 yards since all I have done with it was work up a load at 100 and loaded up 50 rounds and set it aside.
I don't recall the load as I dropped the powder thru my Harrells measurer. The bullet though is an 87 vmax and a F205m primer. The first shot to the right was from a cold cleaned barrel then the next four wadded up under 1/2". So not too bad for a bone stock factory rifle.

Not saying that a Savage LRPV can't shoot this good but something a bit fishy about this story... The 87gr needs a 10 twist. I personally have a LRPV in 12T (have a 8T also) in 6BR. You can't hit the paper with an 87gr Vmax with the 12T at any distance (won't stabilize). You sure it wasn't a 75gr Vmax??????

On another note... I have a group at 300 yards shot with my factory 8 twist gun that would make above look like buckshot. Won't do it every time but when the moons are all lined up...
 
Coleridge said:
JamesnTN said:
Yea another post, but for those whom seem to think Savage rifles don't shoot, I do have a couple that will hold there own against many factory rifles, and even a few customs. I decided to take the 12 twist BR out Sunday morning while I was testing my other two rifles and see how it fair at 300 yards since all I have done with it was work up a load at 100 and loaded up 50 rounds and set it aside.
I don't recall the load as I dropped the powder thru my Harrells measurer. The bullet though is an 87 vmax and a F205m primer. The first shot to the right was from a cold cleaned barrel then the next four wadded up under 1/2". So not too bad for a bone stock factory rifle.

Not saying that a Savage LRPV can't shoot this good but something a bit fishy about this story... The 87gr needs a 10 twist. I personally have a LRPV in 12T (have a 8T also) in 6BR. You can't hit the paper with an 87gr Vmax with the 12T at any distance (won't stabilize). You sure it wasn't a 75gr Vmax??????

On another note... I have a group at 300 yards shot with my factory 8 twist gun that would make above look like buckshot. Won't do it every time but when the moons are all lined up...

I assure its the 87 vmax, I even contacted Hornady and they said minimum twist is a 12 twist so nothing fishy on my end. If you still thinks it's fishy contact them yourself and ask.
 
I have shot the 87 grain v-max out of my custom 6br 12 twist with great success out to 600 yards!!

BTW - Nice shooting again James
 
Coleridge said:
JamesnTN said:
Yea another post, but for those whom seem to think Savage rifles don't shoot, I do have a couple that will hold there own against many factory rifles, and even a few customs. I decided to take the 12 twist BR out Sunday morning while I was testing my other two rifles and see how it fair at 300 yards since all I have done with it was work up a load at 100 and loaded up 50 rounds and set it aside.
I don't recall the load as I dropped the powder thru my Harrells measurer. The bullet though is an 87 vmax and a F205m primer. The first shot to the right was from a cold cleaned barrel then the next four wadded up under 1/2". So not too bad for a bone stock factory rifle.

Not saying that a Savage LRPV can't shoot this good but something a bit fishy about this story... The 87gr needs a 10 twist. I personally have a LRPV in 12T (have a 8T also) in 6BR. You can't hit the paper with an 87gr Vmax with the 12T at any distance (won't stabilize). You sure it wasn't a 75gr Vmax??????

On another note... I have a group at 300 yards shot with my factory 8 twist gun that would make above look like buckshot. Won't do it every time but when the moons are all lined up...

My LRPV 12T 6BR shoots those 87 gr vmax in the .2's. Shot a pd at over 1100 with it last June. Nothing fishy about it. Don't know where you are located, but you can see for yourself if you still have doubts.
 
Maybe my 12 twist is a little slower than a true 12. From experience, I can get maybe one 87Vmax out of 5 will hit the paper at 100 yards & it will be sideways. The same barrel will shoot great with 80's. My 6x45 12 twist Krieger won't shoot the 87 vmax either (will stabilize them but they don't shoot well, maybe it's on the edge?).

I do know velocity helps. That explains the 6x45 maybe, but not the savage. Glad they shoot for you ;)
 
Very interesting.....My 10 Twist Cooper shoots 70-95 Bergers, and Hornady V and A Max, "lights out" with a miriad of load combinations. I must be doing something wrong ;D
 
jefats said:
Very interesting.....My 10 Twist Cooper shoots 70-95 Bergers, and Hornady V and A Max, "lights out" with a miriad of load combinations. I must be doing something wrong ;D

No you aren't. But sounds like somebody else is.

Alex
 
I too have a Savage LRPV in 6BR with a 12 twist. Took it out to our 300 yard range to see just how well it would shoot under what I called ideal conditions, no wind, mirage or shooters next to me shooting cannons. Load was as follows: 68 gr. Bruno BTHP, 30 gr. of H322, Lapua brass and FED 205M primers. Fired a few sighter rounds and then a five shot group that measured exactly one half inch center to center. Yes, I know, one good group means nothing. But I have to consider that my 3 heavy barreled 700's (.222, .223 and .243) that I have been shooting for 40 years can't come close to this type accuracy. Gotta say, it's the most accurate factory gun I ever shot.
 
I have several 12 twist barrels and they all shoot 87 V-max.
Dasher's and 6 BR's.
Voldoc's favorite 1,000 yard prarie dog load is his Nieska J,
12 twist, with 87 V-max.

Savage must have given Coleridge a 14 twist barrel or he is
shooting the wrong powder.

I even had a factory 12 twist Ruger PPC that shot the 87's.
 
Shynloco said:
jefats said:
Very interesting.....My 10 Twist Cooper shoots 70-95 Bergers, and Hornady V and A Max, "lights out" with a miriad of load combinations. I must be doing something wrong ;D

No you aren't. But sounds like somebody else is.

Alex

:) I had a 1-10 pac-nor that would shoot the 87vmax way better than it should had. Burned that barrel out with them. Have a current BRX in a Krieger 8-twist shoots that shoots them VERY well also. Never said the 87's wouldn't shoot, they are a great bullet. What I did say is that MY factory 12 twist barrel wouldn't stabilize them. Don't remember turning the bullet backwards, putting the primers in upside down or anything like that with the 87's. I do remember the 80 grain bullets I shoot in the gun do pretty well. Enough the it won the Hickory Groundhog shoot (factorty class) 3 years in a row & also won Roanoke Shoot (factory) three years in a row. But then again, I could be doing it wrong ::)
 
Coleridge said:
:) I had a 1-10 pac-nor that would shoot the 87vmax way better than it should had. Burned that barrel out with them. Have a current BRX in a Krieger 8-twist shoots that shoots them VERY well also. Never said the 87's wouldn't shoot, they are a great bullet. What I did say is that MY factory 12 twist barrel wouldn't stabilize them. Don't remember turning the bullet backwards, putting the primers in upside down or anything like that with the 87's. I do remember the 80 grain bullets I shoot in the gun do pretty well. Enough the it won the Hickory Groundhog shoot (factorty class) 3 years in a row & also won Roanoke Shoot (factory) three years in a row. But then again, I could be doing it wrong ::)

Nice try Coleridge. As I recall, YOU were the one who cast dispersions, with the smart azz "FISHY" comment in response to what the OP posted. So you opened yourself up to all sorts of doubt about when you make those types of comments about other people's findings, especially when so many other members found such great success with a similar load that the OP initially wrote about. So it now looks like you are only trying to back pedal. Get your facts straight and knock off the "fishy" comments as you aren't the only person who can speak about their success in various competitions or their experience. Perhaps it's your attitude in your initial response that has people wondering just where you are at. Hence the subsequent comebacks. Seems to me, rather than BRAGGING about how great a shot you are, you could better serve yourself with an apology to James in TN.

Alex
 
Not really trying to get in a pissing match or brag. Just clarifying that I half-azz know how to load bullets & point a gun, but the 87's still wont shoot in my gun...

Still, I guess I may have came off wrong in my post (fishy was a poor choice of words I guess) but by no means did I try to degrade the OP's post or shooting ability, if that happened; I do apologize for that... I never meant to imply he didn't shoot the group or with a factory savage. By "fishy"; I meant could you clarify that it was the 87 vmax, not the 87 FB spitzer (which is a bit shorter), or maybe the 75gr vmax that is known for shooting great in slower twists (& I even asked if possibly that was it), or maybe even something else. It sounded wrong to me & what I had experienced. He evidently didn't have his facts wrong, but from time to time people on the INTERNET get things misconstrued or have a brain fart or accidently type the wrong thing (especially if they had two guns out that day or other things on the mind); I've done it myself.

When I built my first 6BR a good while back I built it around the 87gr Vmax (THE bullet I wanted to shoot) & all the research (including MANY posts here & talking with some well known smiths) recommended a 1-10 twist. Even the guy I talked at Hornaday that many years ago stated the 12 was "marginal" & would be better suited in a 10. Then later I tried the 87's for giggles when I got the LRPV 12T and they didn't work. Like I said, maybe I came off wrong but from my experience; I hope you can see were I was coming from...

Evidently he was right, I was wrong; we can all have a big group hug, hold hands & go on with life now ;)

However, if you still need a "cause" Shynloco... You can chastise yourself into an apology for hurting my feelings (I'm trying to hurry & finish this post before all my tears short out the computer) implying that I didn't know what I was doing, was doing it wrong or what I found wasn't true. I hope you can see the irony here. 8)
 
James in Tn, James Phillips, set 4 world records in IBS 600 yard competition
during the first 2 or 3 years that IBS sanctioned IBS matches.
Both group size and score. It was around 10 years ago before
IBS changed the target size to a smaller 10 ring.
 

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