Rifle selection

[Rem06]

Bravo25
Don't think spending all that money on a rifle is going to make you shoot better. I Personally think starting with the basics and working up will teach YOU way more than having it all done for you by someone else.(AKA bullet drop and DOPE the wind)
I really don't see what your plans are for this almighty shooter? 1k BR? F-class Hunting WHAT? I assume by the Best of the west comment, you're figuring on getting it so you can take one shot at anything you want out to 1000+yds hunting and hammer it down and reap the rewards every shot?
What they don't show you on tv is the "misses" or "wounded" animals and don't think for a second that they never did that!

Thank-you all for your imput in this ammo selection.Also,though this rifle will be used for large game shooting as well.So impact speed at target across canyon walls with a possible varing wind speeds and direction also must be taking into consideration.For the aim behind this weapon system as well is to drop this animal quickly as well.

posted alot while i slowly type. I see that is your plan, cross canyon/up/down hill, those 1/3 moa turrets?
Gunwerks prey, the majik gun

 

[HillbillySniper]

+1 Rem06 after reading all the above replys I was thinking almost the same thing you took the words right outta me!!


Hillbilly

 

[Rem06]

Bravo25
you have recieved alot of good advice here,please stay and learn that there is a little more to your question than what you asked.You can get one heck of a good rifle for way less and be better off spending the rest on a super quality rangefinder/optics/wind meter and portible trajectory calculator and bullets,powder brass and primers etc...

 

[Baron]

Bravo25,
From what I have read in your posts, you have already talked to Aaron of Gunwurks and you are going to purchase the rifle. That is fine, if that is what you want to do. Your question about the chambering. Both the 6.5-284 and the 7RM are adequate chamberings for longrange hunting. The edge would go to the 7RM because it delivers a larger projectile with a higher BC to the target at approximately the same velocity as the 6.5-284. But what Aaron did not tell you and what all of the others are eluding to is that it does not matter how much knockdown power delivered or how flat the chambering shoots, if you cannot hit the kill zone you might as well be throwing rocks.
Out to 600 yards under mild wind conditions I can from one day to the next, hit the kill zone of a Whitetail Deer. I make 600 yards my maximum. I have never missed the 1,000 yard BR target from a cold bore in any wind condition while practicing. But there again, that target is 42” square. considerably larger than the kill zone of any North American Big Game. I did kill a deer just over 1,000 yards once. But it was done from the bench with my 65# IBS HG. I had sighted on a target an hour earlier. Even then my bullet hit the deer in the neck instead of the front shoulder where I was aiming. The temperature drop, wind speed let up and other atmospheric changes cause the bullet to strike 6” high 12” left. Gunwurks TV show is just that. Edited Television!

 

[Rem06]

thank you baron for a much better explination than i could deliver! really.
typing is not my thing. i have a pet peeve on BDC's and that "put the dot on it" and wala thing! DRT! yeah right!
preying on the uninformed,and i am so glad Bravo25 asked the question! absolutely nothing to him but the advertisment.
canyon to canyon, we have the majik pill!
it don't work like that!

 

[Bravo25]

Baron,I have yet to make my selection for cambering at GunWerks,yet.They also carry a Edge 338 cambering as well.And Rem06 never saw the advertisement's,just saw someone shooting a GunWerks LR-1200 at a 1000yds at a private range one day, and he was kind enough to let me shoot it.Nice weapon system like I have said before.And as far as your claim to edited TV film,you might what to talk to Aaron or his brother, to see if they edit there shots,I myself like to stick to the known facts,not here say.Your conditions for a cold bore shot verus some else's cold bore shot with a different rifle both will perform differently.Taking cold shots has never been a problem for me,as long as I know how that rifle will perform in 30-55 degree weather.Practice makes perfect.

 

[Baron]

Bravo,
When I typed “Cold Bore Shot”, I was not referring to atmospheric temperature. I was referring to the first shot down the barrel. Under normal Hunting circumstances (where I hunt that is all you will get), that is the one that counts. As far as the editing goes, I don’t need to talk to Aaron or his brother. The show is nothing more than an Infomercial to sell their products. I have no doubt that they are editing out misses.
Here is a little info for you on making a 1,000 yard Cold Bore shot and humanely taking a Big Game animal. These Numbers below are from Gunwurk’s Ammunition Page and the Drop and Drift figures are from the JBM Ballistic Calculator.
7mm Remington Magnum
168 Berger VLD
Muzzle Velocity 3,025 fps
1,000 Yard shot taken with three different wind speeds. Notice the drift. Whitetail has a 10” Diameter Kill Zone and an Elk has a 18” Kill Zone.
10 MPH Full Value Wind Drift is 48.6”
11 MPH Full Value Wind Drift is 53.4” You Barely hit the Kill Zone with .2” to spare!
12 MPH Full Value Wind Drift is 58.3” You just hit an Elk outside of the Kill Zone!
If you or anybody else thinks that they can judge wind speed within 1 MPH (even with a wind meter) from Muzzle to 1,000 yard, they are lying to themselves! There is way too much green in between.
Bullet Drop
980 Yards 7.1” High Outside of the Kill Zone!
990 Yards 3.6” Kill Shot!
1,000 Yards 0.0” Kill Shot!
1,010 Yards 3.7” Kill Shot!
1,020 Yards 7.5” Low Outside of the Kill Zone!
You can be off on your distance by plus or minus 30’. You better have a really good Range Finder.

 

[Bravo25]

I too also mean cold bore means just that cold bore first shot.Why it is no hassel whats so ever to call Aaron and ask him if he edits his shots.I myself think there that darn good of shot to be honest with you.Would you like there phone number to ask if they edit there shows.Also realize also Aaron is not trying to sell his rifle system on your website so your advertiser's have nothing to worry about.

 

[HillbillySniper]

Sure what's the number? Let me guess to he's gonna say no no we don't edit our show at all we never ever miss or wound an animal! All I can say is I wish you best of luck with your rifle and I hope to god you don't wound to many animals trying for your cold bore 1000 yard shot without a good range finder wind meter or the knowledge of your rifle and how your rifle will do in all conditions including wind conditions!!


Hillbilly

 

[JimT]

Bravo 25:

You continue to ignore the FACTS that have been presented to you in this thread. I wonder why Baron wastes his time trying too get thru your thick skull?

Try reading the thread at the link below, I think you will "edjicated."

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/best-west-really-best-47550/

Capitalisim is a great system, however, the phrase "buyer beware" is the operative and counterweight to this system.

I love this sight (that is why I contribute money to it) and have learned more than I could ever hope by keeping my mouth shut and my brain engaged, I suggest you do the same.

 

[Baron]

JimT,
I am done now.
Bravo you buy what you want!

 

[Bravo25]

Hillbilly-who said I did not have a range finder,wind meter,ballisitic's calculator with me before I took the shot.I never said that.You did however,assume that I did not. And as the saying goes you assume you make a ass out of you,but please do not include me in your ranting's of making a ass out of you.Also JimT the question was which caliber would be better off on a rifle selection.And as I stated above to Hillbilly you also assume to much.Still got that spelling teacher mentally again,you must be to old to listen anymore,ammo selection nothing more nothing less that was all I'm asking. ;D

 

[Bravo25]

Thanks Baron I respect someone in America,who allows others to voice their opnion as well as buy what they what free from redicule-darn I miss spell 2 word's do I have to say after school.

 

[HillbillySniper]

Wow an ass outta myself huh.....well you keep thinking that just like you think hunting shows aren't edited and that you can make a 1000 yard cold bore shot just because you pay 7000 dollars for a gunwerks gun. Well you go right ahead and buy your expensive gun that all dun up for you and see how it goes, because id be willing to bet no matter how good your fancy gun is it don't mean squat if you can't drive it. But by all means you keep being bullheaded an ignoring all the good advice your gitting and you'll look like the ass in the end! Only good thing outta this is your the type of stupid guy that saw a long range show and now thinks he can shoot long range so you keep Aaron in bussiness.


Hillbilly

 

[ollie]

Wow, what a thread. I say let him buy what he wants, how he wants it. I mean it's not our money, if he wants to throw it down the drain on a over priced gun with out doing any real research so be it.

I would think that if the gunworks rifles are what they say they are then all the military snipers must have to use them. Right?

Also if reloading is such a waste why do the match shooters reload?

The gunworks scopes. Who makes them? Nightforce leup S&B USO??? For that price one of them better make it.

I just saw that your from california. I rest my case.

9 posts. what a way to start your time here.

 

[JimT]

Braveaux:

I no u hav isues wit spellin, butt i no u kan reed. Wot ise de subjekt of dis thred?

"Rifle selection"


You got some great advice on rifle selection. Now it is your turn.

 

[Baron]

JimT,
I tried! I hate to see someone taken to the bank. There are too many Big Time and Small Time smiths out the that will not feed you a line of chit! It does not take a big bank roll to shoot small. It just take attention to detail and to know your weapon. Of course you know that as does 99% of the guys on accurateshooter. I just wanted to help!
Baron Graham

 

[JimT]

Baron:

It is because of guys like you that attract me to this forum. I pay attention and learn. I have had a few rifles and pistols built, but only after careful research and inquiry. Never saw them on TV and hope I never do!!

BTW, how do you have time to post here I would have thought Bromwich and his boys would have you chasing your tail these days?

Jim Tobin

 

[Baron]

JimT,
Piss on Bromwich!
I am no different than you. My Dad taught me how to handload 25 years ago. Then he said it’s all you! The MAJORITY of what I know is from accurateshooter and Benchrestcentral! I have met a lot of guys that know Internal & External Ballistics inside and out (CharlesE , Alinwa just to name a pair off of benchrestcentral). I used to shoot by myself out to 600 yards and I just thought I knew what was going on. So I did my research as to which cartridge won the most, which barrel maker won the most and who built these winning Light Guns! I use Hawks Ridge in NC for the research. I came up with the .300 Ackley, Broughton and Leonard Baity (Although I did win the Nationals with a borrowed LG built by Baity on my Reamer, LG belongs to me now)! So I started off on the right foot. I learned how to load for the Ackley and I learned how to drive it. I’ve got a couple of cartridges that I call my own.
“It is because of guys like you that attract me to this forum. I pay attention and learn. I have had a few rifles and pistols built, but only after careful research and inquiry.”
Man it is guys like you that keep this forum going. Everybody is looking for the edge! There are a lot of Lurkers!
Have you ever heard the saying “Every Dog has, His day”? I had mine at Harris, MN! I’ll probably get it smoked in West Virginia in 2011!

 

[Raptor]

Bravo25,
It souds as though you may not have a lot of long range shooting experience from the questions your asking and your wanting to be able to shoot animals at up to 1000yds.

I know it can be done and is done but that does not make it right. I have shot the barrels out of 3 6.5x284s and a couple of 300WMs they are both excellent long range rifles.

In the past I have competed in longrange tactical matches and done quite well but I feel no need to try to shoot an animal at 1000yds. Could I do it?? Probably but I don't honestly feel I can guarantee killing it clean and if the wind gusts or something changes that I don't catch its not just a miss its a wounded animal that will suffer because I am trying to get bragging rights.

I have taken cardboard cut outs of deer sized archery targets and shot them at different ranges out to 1000yds and yes many times I have hit it in the kill zone but there has been as many times that I would have wounded it.

My advice to you would to be build a 280 or 284 remington and shoot it until you are and accomplished long range shooter and keep your hunting shots to 600yds and under.

I would also listen to some of the advice given on here you can learn alot from this form.