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Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader

284winner

284winner

Found a great deal on a one year old Remington UML. Think this is the same muzzleloader that was made a few years ago and called "The Ultimate Muzzleloader" and designed by I believe his name is Ken Johnson. Looks like Remington has decreased the effective range by offering their own brand of sabit bullets and possibly a slower barrel twist rate. Ant body have any experience with these guns ? I'd like some input.
 
No it is not the same gun. I have one and it much better than the old ones. My will shoot 1" groups at 100 yds. Shoot black horn 209 it is super easy to clean. That is just my 2 cents.
 
Better how ? Curious because I have shot one of the older ones and they truly were 500 yard muzzleloaders. Looking for accuracy first and play with range and bullet selection later
 
Help me understand if we are talking about same ML. The old Remington muzzle loaders that I know was not a 500 yrd ML nor is the new ones. The old ones used a percussion caps lucky if you could get 100 yds out of them. Then they made a 209 conversion kit for them and I don't thinkyou could enough powder in it to get 300 yds. accurately. Maybe we are talking about something different.
 
I have 4 of these...2 of the Bell & Carlson stocked ones and 2 of the laminate. I've only shot 2 of them, but shoot extremely well with BH209 powder and Barnes Original bullets with MMP sabots. Had decent results with the bullets/sabots provided by Remington as well. I switched out the trigger on the main one I shoot for a Jewell, Leupold VX3 added and good-to-go
 
200plus said:
Help me understand if we are talking about same ML. The old Remington muzzle loaders that I know was not a 500 yrd ML nor is the new ones. The old ones used a percussion caps lucky if you could get 100 yds out of them. Then they made a 209 conversion kit for them and I don't thinkyou could enough powder in it to get 300 yds. accurately. Maybe we are talking about something different.
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No it's not the old perc cap model or 209 model. It's a much different ignition system that ignites 200 grains of powder. Moves a 275 gr bullet at 2400-2500 fps. Google the MLS by Remington.
 
motobtcr if I might ask how much BH209 where you putting under the bullets that Remington supplied? I am shooting the Fed. copper bullets and they shoot really well with BH209.
 
XTR said:
I shoot a Savage MLII smokeless. Smokeless is the only way to go if it's legal in your state.
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Agreed

I've messed with them using Blackhorn (the smith comes up to the range and works a load up for every rifle he ships out) and most of the time it's only a couple hundred or less fps off but the mess and smoke, no thanks.
 
XTR said:
I shoot a Savage MLII smokeless. Smokeless is the only way to go if it's legal in your state.
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I owned one years ago when they first came out and used pyrodex in it. My home state does not allow anything but black powder or black powder equivalent. Never did end up hunting with anything other than pyrodex and it was decent for accuracy. Just never liked the breech plug/bolt setups on any of the older inlines. Todays pro hunters and Accura break model guns are much nicer and with the new primed brass ignition on the REM 700, it's even nicer yet. Read some reviews on the Remington Ultimate and some weren't very good for accuracy, saying 2-3 " groups at 100 yards. Definitely doesn't make it a 300 yard muzzleloader. Other reviews were much better at 1" @ 100 yards. Just have to take my chances and see for myself.
 
284winner I am getting 1" groups with mine at 100 yds I am pleased with it. Next year I will be starting some new loads. You may want to check out Randy Wakeman videos on it.
 
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200plus said:
motobtcr if I might ask how much BH209 where you putting under the bullets that Remington supplied? I am shooting the Fed. copper bullets and they shoot really well with BH209.
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Right now, I'm at 73g by weight(not volume) using a Chargemaster dispenser/scale. It will handle a lot more, but not needed in my case
 
200plus said:
284winner I am getting 1" groups with mine at 100 yds I am pleased with it. Next year I will be starting some new loads. You may want to check out Randy Wakeman videos on it.
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Thanks I'll do that. Don't plan on 200 grains anyway. Accuracy rules and 200 grains isn't the path to accuracy. I get under an inch with my White super 91 with powerbelts at 100yards. Around 90-100 grains of triple 7. Only reason for this gun is ease of ignition and use. Plus it's a Remington 700 action and system.
 
If you shoot the BH209 it is super easy to clean. And you love the brass igntition. Keep us posted on how you like it.
 
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