Jim Ziegler
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Remington Leaves NY
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DRK
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I grew up in Williamsville, NY and left the area over 20 years ago for free states. No work in upstate NY like there was in the 70s. I was just back from Clarence, NY for a funeral over Thanksgiving. Can't even get a bag in the grocery store now. Ridiculous!
Cigarettes got the entire one side of my family. Not shedding tears about the high prices keeping kids from starting.
centershot
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Why is S & W still in Mass??
I for one still have a bad taste in my mouth after growing up thinking Remington was the greatest rifle company ever. But after buying their garbage over the last few years and seeing other friends and family waste their money on their products don’t know if I’ll ever buy another Remington. Company’s that large are just another leverage bar for investors and politicians to make money off and those people don’t care about quality. Read the attached file if you don’t understand why it’s better to spend your money somewhere else.
If they're of sufficient quality and utility to the company, they can certainly make an offer to some of them for the new positions/locations.
It's not all that dissimilar with any company that gets sold, goes under, goes elsewhere. Those who won't or can't go end up having to find alternatives. It's not a screw-'em thing, really; it's just how the they-come-and-they-go reality of this world operates.
A bit like coal mining, though. For a good 30 years, there's been "writing on the wall" about what's eventually coming. It's only a matter of time. And in many of the old communities that remained nearly completely reliant on "coal company" operations, the ones left are gonna get stuck holding the bag if they wait too long. Is what it is. Again, not a screw-'em thing; it's a take responsibility thing, for reality that's seen a long way off.
As for what the community or state can do ... Well, there's re-training. There's other towns and cities where gunsmithing, engineering and other skills have value and utility (and perhaps some partial assistance to help getting hooked-up with or retrained for such). In the end, though, what's a community or state to do when it's "anchor" shops pack it in? Whine? Wish? Nothing lasts. Eggs shouldn't be in multiple baskets. A community that's so heavily reliant on one or two companies' operations is just "asking" to get hit hard when reality strikes.
On the larger scale, NY is finding a portion of what lots of "rust belt" states have found as the automotive industry landscape changed from the 1940s through the 1990s. Heavily depend on a couple of major players, then get buffeted when the markets roil and those companies are forced to change. Capital flight is real. And it's not just larger companies. If a state wants to continue hammering an industry, and its people keep voting to support such hammering, then they'll need to swallow that "medicine" when it eventually happens ... and accept their choices helped make it happen.
As many say, these days: elections have consequences.
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I was a long-time user of Remington 700's and have owned many in a variety of calibers. Along with the Winchester Model 70, these were the "gold" standards when I started in the sport over a half century ago.
I owned several Varmint models with the bedded stocks and free floated barrel that were top performers out of the box with a simple trigger adjustment which was easy with their old triggers.
The sporter models always lacked adequate bedding but most were 1 moa rifles out of the box with the old wooden walnut stocks. Later when they started using those cheap "Tupperware" stocks, they required bedding the action and free floating the barrel to shoot sub 1 moa, but the "bones" of the rifle were still good. I especially liked the metal magazines and the 7 to 7 1/2 lbs. rifle weight which I consider idea for a hunting rifle in calibers over 243 Win.
Back in the 60's and 70's, their target 22 rimfire ammo was good and reliable. We used on our pistol teams, and it performed quite well. Then in the 80's, it became unreliable, numerous misfires, and the accuracy became unreliable. What happened I don't know.
Would like to seem Remington make a comeback which would include going back to their old trigger design, improving the extractor design, and bedding. If their ego will allow it, they may want to take a lesson from Tikka on centerfire rifles and CCI on rimfire ammo.
I owned several Varmint models with the bedded stocks and free floated barrel that were top performers out of the box with a simple trigger adjustment which was easy with their old triggers.
The sporter models always lacked adequate bedding but most were 1 moa rifles out of the box with the old wooden walnut stocks. Later when they started using those cheap "Tupperware" stocks, they required bedding the action and free floating the barrel to shoot sub 1 moa, but the "bones" of the rifle were still good. I especially liked the metal magazines and the 7 to 7 1/2 lbs. rifle weight which I consider idea for a hunting rifle in calibers over 243 Win.
Back in the 60's and 70's, their target 22 rimfire ammo was good and reliable. We used on our pistol teams, and it performed quite well. Then in the 80's, it became unreliable, numerous misfires, and the accuracy became unreliable. What happened I don't know.
Would like to seem Remington make a comeback which would include going back to their old trigger design, improving the extractor design, and bedding. If their ego will allow it, they may want to take a lesson from Tikka on centerfire rifles and CCI on rimfire ammo.
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This time of year, I always remember when I was a little kid my Dad used to put us in the car at Christmas time and we would drive all over our area to the little towns around Tulsa. We would go to little towns like Coweta, Porter, Wagoner, etc every little town had main their street decorated for Christmas. Lavish decorations, including neon and animations in lights. All the towns were so pretty and the people were so proud of their little towns. They're all gone now, the main streets decorated for Christmas. Lucky if there is a main street at all.
I think people are going to look back and miss Remington. What it was, and what it stood for. Gutted, and the parts sold off. Yeah, I think people are going to miss Remington....
I think people are going to look back and miss Remington. What it was, and what it stood for. Gutted, and the parts sold off. Yeah, I think people are going to miss Remington....
Funny that the classifieds on this site have a high demand for used Remington actions ( even the so-called "garbage" ones of recent manufacture). Hardly see any Ruger, Winchester, or other mass produced brand actions offered. Those that bought the "garbage" 700's in tupperware ADL stocks from Walmart closeouts are selling them for more than they paid and they function and shoot quite well for the purpose they were intended.
Remington is a sad story as is Winchester. Companies are dependent on their own management and legal staff. Remington is a victim of lawfare in part. Our judicial system is compromised to the point that it's just another political tool. Another reason for their demise is monopoly laws apparently do not apply to holding companies. If you sell your autonomy to a holding company you could be in for big trouble.
Remington's M700 is the most copied action in history. In it's hay day it was the go to benchrest action. It still can be competitive but requires a lot of work to make it so. Remington management never attempted to change the action in any way other than the X-Mark trigger and the J-Lock which went over like a skunk in the closet. Perhaps it can come back but government regulations and labor costs have hit makers pretty hard. The shooting public's accuracy expectations have put a pinch on firearms makers with respect to what the shooting public expect to pay.
Remington's M700 is the most copied action in history. In it's hay day it was the go to benchrest action. It still can be competitive but requires a lot of work to make it so. Remington management never attempted to change the action in any way other than the X-Mark trigger and the J-Lock which went over like a skunk in the closet. Perhaps it can come back but government regulations and labor costs have hit makers pretty hard. The shooting public's accuracy expectations have put a pinch on firearms makers with respect to what the shooting public expect to pay.
I definitely understand wanting to defend Remington I still consider the name a stable in mass produced rifles. But if you seen the quality of machining I’m talking about you wouldn’t be buying any of there so called new rifles since they have warehouses full of parts waiting to be slapped together from the pre bankruptcy days. I’m just saying there’s a few other companies that are putting out some nice competition.
rwj
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They’re in the process of moving to Tennessee…
Thought the most copied title belonged to the 98 Mauser??
I’d be lying if I said my state was immune to the shit going on in areas like yours. Just several years behind. I’d like to know of any area that is gaining conservative influence.
For now we have the numbers in Wyoming but judging by the addresses of the refugees that show up, it’s a matter of time. Plus federal influence seems to ultimately trump local policy. We’re all going to ride this thing all the way to the ground no matter where we live.
We have a republic if we can keep it, I think a wise founding father once said……..
I hope they start making some shotgun parts again at some point. I have numerous customer 870s, 1100s, and 11-87s waiting on parts and when something does come up the prices are astronomical.
I have a few Remington's,first was a used 511. Maybe they should consider doing like browning,each year pick a model,5,000 grade ,. 1000 high grade,one caliber with all parts the same as original,make Xtra parts ie extractors. Walnut stocks, new family heirlooms, to include all,including caplocks and rollers. Cnc should allow for quality and reduce hand work...but quality needs to return.
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