Rem 700 magazines converted to 6BR purchasable?

[ghermitage]

I note this following solution to Rem 700 non-detachable magazine feeding the 6BR http://www.6mmbr.com/Rem700magfix.html

Does this remain the best solution?

The author's website does not seem to a give a standard price for these converted non-detachable magazines, so I guess it is custom work there. Does anyone manufacture these magazines in batches so that the magazines are purchasable as stock items at a good price?

 

[daveb]

You could get an aics stock or the badger floorplate with the AI magazines and your problem is solved.
Modifying the mags is an easy do it yourself project.
David

 

[Rustystud]

Look at Mike Bryants web site.

He shows haw to do exactly wahat yurs asking for.
Reustystud

 

[ghermitage]

Look at Mike Bryants web site.

He shows haw to do exactly wahat yurs asking for.
Reustystud

Yes, he is the author of the article linked to at the beginning of the thread. I guess such work would be at the custom hourly rate.

Even the Accuracy International magazines seem to need conversion.

Given the suitability of 6mmBR for varminting and the popularity of the Rem 700 action, its odd a stock-standard solution hasn't emerged.

 

[JER]

Given the suitability of 6mmBR for varminting and the popularity of the Rem 700 action, its odd a stock-standard solution hasn't emerged.

The 6BR does not move in the volume necessary for Remington to make a mag for it.

The average Rem 700 owner has never heard of the 6BR.

Simple as that.

 

[ghermitage]

The 6BR does not move in the volume necessary for Remington to make a mag for it.

I was thinking more of someone downstream of Remington, an aftermarket mag.

The average Rem 700 owner has never heard of the 6BR.

I will have to look up the Hornady Handbook to see if it had anything to say about varminting uses of the 6BR. There must be a lot of copies of the handbook in various editions out there by now. But probably the 6BR page gets turned because velocity isn't top of the heap. If some estimate of barrel life appeared for the various cartridges, folk might hesitate a while longer on the 6BR page and dwell on comments about accuracy potential and the ease with which that potential can be attained.

Maybe if this site keeps growing?

 

[JER]

Based on what I saw, the mods to make the mag work with the 6BR are so simple even I could do it. So that sort of takes the financial justification for a commercial unit.

 

[ghermitage]

There's always a market for things that just work straight out of the box.

 

[JER]

There's always a market for things that just work straight out of the box.

Yep. That's why ill-conceived businesses never go broke.

 

[ghermitage]

Yep. That's why ill-conceived businesses never go broke.

Thank you for your contributions, JER.

Others may have interesting contributions also.

 

[Asa_Yam]

There's always a market for things that just work straight out of the box.

Sure. And look how they turn out.

Take the .260 Remington as a prime example. Great all purpose cartridge: Low recoil, fantastic selection of bullets - and a proven winning track record in multiple applications.

Then market mostly hunting rifles. With twist rates too slow to reliably use really good target bullets, and throats too long to load rounds into the rifling and still feed from the magazine. Top that by offering only 2-3 flavors of ammo, most of which are optimized only for shooting deer at 100 yards. And then radically reduce marketing of the cartridge after just a few years.

Sometimes, you just can't win, even when you're backing a winner.

 

[JER]

Yep. That's why ill-conceived businesses never go broke.

Thank you for your contributions, JER.

Others may have interesting contributions also.

I voiced my opinion, which is contrary to yours. Get used to it. People aren't always going to agree with you. And some will actually tell you.

Feel free to open a business making 6BR magazine boxes for Remington M700s. Don't let my opinion that such a venture will fail stop you.

 

[mysticplayer]

If you want a D mag, consider the new Savage center feed mag. I have been using one this year and really like it. Very smooth feeding and a true center feed so sharp shoulders will feed no problem.

The mag comes apart very easily so you can put a block in the rear. Get another follower or cut down the orig. Put in a shorter spring like from a 223 and voila, it should work.

My Savage is in 308. I have tried 'feeding' my 6.5 Mystic and it enters the chamber no problem,of course it doesn't seat). The mag length is also much longer then normal.

You can load out to 3.00" OAL give or take a few thou. This should prove useful to alot of mag needing wildcatters.

The 6BR is loved by shooters like us but to the vast majority, a dead issue. There are no shooting sports that require large volumes of 6BR feeding rifles so why would anyone tool up.

They would have a "safer" market making goodies for Mausers...

Jerry

 

[ghermitage]

I voiced my opinion, which is contrary to yours. Get used to it. People aren't always going to agree with you. And some will actually tell you.

You seemed kind of angry about something - wrong site for that.

Feel free to open a business making 6BR magazine boxes for Remington M700s. Don't let my opinion that such a venture will fail stop you.

Obviously a ridiculous thing to do, and I didn't suggest it. Can't say I appreciate things being twisted for the purposes of ridicule.

As the smallest of thousands of things an existing business did, a carefully sized run could pay its way. First run might be 50 items, and a small box in the warehouse would be needed for them because they wouldn't sell out by Tuesday.

What I am really looking at here is that what is published elsewhere about the 6mmBR is:
,1) Cannot be used from a magazine;
,2) Can never be made to feed reliably from a magazine.
Many shooters will read these statements as fact and immediately discard the 6mmBR as a possibility for varminting. The best thing that could be done to popularise the 6BR for varminting short of Remington chambering for it is reliable magazines being available off the shelf.

 

[ghermitage]

If you want a D mag, consider the new Savage center feed mag. I have been using one this year and really like it. Very smooth feeding and a true center feed so sharp shoulders will feed no problem.

Are the 30 degree shoulders of the 6BR sufficiently sharp to cause some unreliability without true center feed?

The 6BR is loved by shooters like us but to the vast majority, a dead issue.

There's every chance it will stay that way too, but what occurs to me is that there was a time when I wouldn't look past velocity figures but I moved on from that and maybe some others will too - just a distant maybe.

 

[Asa_Yam]

Are the 30 degree shoulders of the 6BR sufficiently sharp to cause some unreliability without true center feed?

I suspect it's the short, fat case configuration, coupled with a relatively small diameter bullet. Between popping out of a double stack magazine's feed lips early, and not aligning the bullet with the chamber, I suspect this is where many of the feed issues may arise.

 

[mysticplayer]

The shoulder is not the problem in the 6BR, although the 40deg improved versions will aggravate the real problem.

That is the OAL. The feed lips are cut away too much in a normal 308 length mag. So as the case proceeds to the chamber, it can pop out before being aligned with the chamber.

Sharp shoulders don't like changing direction to enter the chamber when the top of the shoulder hits the top of the chamber.

The center feed as in the new Savage reduces this problem because the case is 'centered' on the chamber. It really doesn't have to rise up or ride up the feed ramp as is common in just about any side stack action.

The case is push straight into the chamber. I will try and get a few BR cases and just see what happens when they are fed into my 308 chamber. Maybe it will work just the way it is.

Jerry

 

[ghermitage]

I will try and get a few BR cases and just see what happens when they are fed into my 308 chamber.

Please do. Sounds like Savage may have already completely solved this problem. I gather their barrels are easier to replace too.
Will have to consider getting a Savage rifle. First question to look at will be what triggers and stocks are available for these rifles, though I understand that the AccuTrigger is pretty good for a factory trigger.

I see both their new detachable and non-detachable magazines have straight-line feed.

 

[mysticplayer]

Good news, the BR will feed from the mag. You will need to block the rear to keep the cases from sloshing around but it does feed.

Changing barrels is extremely easy with the Savage. Once you get the tools and a bit of practise, you can swap a barrel in 5 mins if you really hussle. 10mins is usually all you need.

The accutrigger is a very nice factory trigger. Crisp pull and little to no overtravel. Can be tuned quite light too. I really like the finger safety. Dropping a rifle when the safety is off and having a discharge is not my idea of fun. That trigger block does work and you don't really feel it after a bit of use.

There are now a lot of different stock options. Stockade has many shapes. Sharp Shooters Supply and Boyds have laminated ones. There are now many BR styles.

All sorts of accessories are now easily available for the Savage. I use both the SSS and Rifle Basix 2 trigger. For match work, the RB2 will go to 6ounces. The SSS is now down to 12ounces. Mine goes to around 1lb.

For the home gunsmith, there is no better action for playing and tweaking.

Jerry

 

[ghermitage]

Changing barrels is extremely easy with the Savage. Once you get the tools and a bit of practise, you can swap a barrel in 5 mins if you really hussle. 10mins is usually all you need.

Looking at the situation of ordering a prechambered and threaded barrel and fitting it at home, what processing should be done by the manufacturer so that the barrel they prepare is suitable for fitting to a Savage?