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Reloading Cost vs. Factory Ammo

IMHO the answer is, of course, cartridge specific. I would not want to buy much factory ammo for my 300 weatherby. Reloading cost does not double just because you use twice the powder.

But then again, how much are you gonna shoot that round?
 
I have been lucky to have amassed a huge supply of components over the last 10 years and probably have more than I can shoot over the balance of my life. (I am getting long in the tooth as they say).

I started loading in the 60s and have more reloading equipment that I sold like to admit. For me. It is to make target quality ammo for Bullseye Pistol and Benchrest Ridle. I load 5 gauges of shotgun ammo, the 16 to get loads that are hard to find new and for 28/410 to save money. I still load 12/20 but don’t save much.

For me it used to be a hobby too, but now I don’t have time to just sit and spend hours loading.
 
No disrespect intended, and I understand your reference to ROI in terms of costs of components and equipment and your time, may actually exceed factory costs. On the other hand, I find hand loading to have a very special ROI, and perhaps even more when you are hand loading wildcats. First, you can’t buy these. Second, you likely load these for competition purposes (likely, not necessarily). And third, you then use the ammo you loaded and tweaked for your own rifle/pistol, and the complete system that you are responsible for complements the endless hours of practice to yield success. There’s nothing like it. You have to be “wired” a certain way, but if you are, the ROI is pretty special. Again, no disrespect intended. Just one man’s opinion.
There is a real sense of satisfaction to win a match or harvest a game animal with handloaded ammunition that you have tailored to a specific firearm.

Find a mentor who is an experienced reloader and will let you learn the basics on their equipment to see if it is for you. Used equipment is pretty plentiful if you look around, IE moving sales, estate sales, the classifieds on this forum, people who lost interest etc. You can load plenty of accurate ammo on a single stage Lee press using a beam scale and a manual powder trickler.

Warning Will Robinson---reloading can become an addiction and an equipment race. Start simply and grow your equipment as you learn YOUR needs and not what the keyboard experts say you must have.
 
No disrespect intended, and I understand your reference to ROI in terms of costs of components and equipment and your time, may actually exceed factory costs. On the other hand, I find hand loading to have a very special ROI, and perhaps even more when you are hand loading wildcats. First, you can’t buy these. Second, you likely load these for competition purposes (likely, not necessarily). And third, you then use the ammo you loaded and tweaked for your own rifle/pistol, and the complete system that you are responsible for complements the endless hours of practice to yield success. There’s nothing like it. You have to be “wired” a certain way, but if you are, the ROI is pretty special. Again, no disrespect intended. Just one man’s opinion.
No disrespect taken. The last whitetail I took and the last two hogs were with my reloads. Makes it all more special.
 
My 14 y/o grandson just shot, a Nice, Buck Antelope with, His OWN .270 WSM, Handload's that, were loaded for, a couple cents more per cart. ( 7-8 grains more, Powder), than, a regular .270 Winchester, load.
He Practices Field Positions, several Times a Year and has, also shot 2, real Nice Mulies with, his .243 Win Tikka ( the Last One, a Heavy Horned, 4 x 5 ,.. 30+ inches, Wide ! ) Again with, his own Handloads.
Yup, MOST Rifle Re-Loads, are probably, 1/2 the Price of Factory ammo, so THAT, We can shoot, TWICE, as much !
And I think that, Most Hunter's, really NEED,.. the Extra Practice, anyway !
 
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If your focus is to save money and you don't consider your time, yes you can save money.

It is likely that it will not take long until you are upgrading equipment etc. If you go this route, it is more expensive. How many rounds to offset a 1600 dollar annealer for example lol.

Also, if you do a lot of load development its a lot of ammo down range. I don't think of that as a waste though. Im always working on fundamentals of marksmanship.

One big advantage is it doesn't cost too much more to shoot speciality projectiles instead of FMJ for practice. I plink with the same vmax I hunt with for example. Good factory hunting ammo is crazy expensive!

It takes a A LOT of time. I have no kids or wife and work from home, so I enjoy my time in the reloading room.

Pro tip, if you are going to load rifle, get some sort of triway trimmer. Your hands will thank you and it will drastically speed up your reloading.
 
Anyway, the cheap route was to actually buy loaded ammo compared to just brass. It was actually cheaper by an average of 30-35 cents a round, not factoring in the components and time.
So a few months ago, Bi Mart had a pretty killer sale of PMC 223 ammo. ($437 per thousand).

I had just got my first AR, and wanted to have a good batch of brass that was fired in my chamber, no primer crimps, etc. .. 44 cents a pop is about what decent bullets cost these days, and with a brass catcher, I'll estimate around five reloads per brass - or more. Amortized out, that cost is negligible. Buying bullets wisely, such as seconds or from guys here on the forum also knocks the final reload price down where a real savings is realized. jd
 
My numbers currently look like this.

Match grade 223/5.56 for prairie dogs: I'm running 53gr vmax, and with current powder and primer costs, I'm spending about $0.43/rnd. I can by factory ammo at that cost. I can even buy pretty good factory ammo at that cost if I shop around, but I can't buy ammo that will shoot 1/2 moa period. If I want that level of accuracy, I have to load it myself.

Looking at your 7-08 and assuming you're running a 140gr NBT and using around 43gr of powder at $40 per pound, your cost would be about $0.92/rnd.

There are a hand full of things you gain from reloading. Is it cheaper? Yes, but only when you compare apples to apples. In other words, if you're fine with shooting cheap ammo (especially NATO cartridges), the cost advantage is significantly reduced. However, if you're shooting premium ammo, the cost difference is usually more significant. Its just rare for someone to shoot a high volume of premium ammo. Those individuals are normally competitors or they are into shooting large quantities of varmints.

The 2nd thing you get is accuracy (quality). Sometimes there's relatively inexpensive ammo that shoots really well (MOA or a little better), but that's rare. 223 is about the only thing I've ever seen this happen on, and even then MOA is not all that impressive in my book. With most rifle cartridges, I've been able to get most decent rifles to shoot around 1/2 moa. With a known good rifle, I can get noticeably better.

The 3rd thing you get is availability, but this requires planning on your part and takes time (years) to really pay off. I bought 40k primers in 2017 at around $26 per thousand. 2 years ago I bought multiple 8 lb kegs of my favorite powders, most for under $30 per pound. That means my actually cost for reloading today is pretty cheap compared to factory ammo. Even considering today's prices, if you make sure to always have an unopened pound of powder (preferably a keg), and a few unopened trays of primers (preferably 1k minimum), and an unopened box of bullets, you'll always have enough to go do something with regardless of what it is you want to do. Basically, keep at least a 2 year supply of components on your shelf, and that will be enough to make it through "temporary" disruptions in the supply chain.

The final thing you get is the ability to decide exactly what you want to shoot out of your rifle. For instance, if you prefer the way a 140gr Partition performs on game out of your 7-08, you are not limited to the handful of factory cartridges that load that bullet. You are free to try different powders and charge weights until you find a combination that gives you the accuracy and trajectory that you're satisfied with. - Case in point, MY 7-08 is a 16" Encore pistol. Most powders I tried out of it would shoot okay, but my velocities were all really slow due to the short barrel. Most of the powders I tried did not perform well out of that gun near the top end of the charge weights. However, N140 shot EXTREMELY well, and gave me about a 50 fps bump in speed. After trying that, I also tried N540 and N550 and found that N550 gave me good accuracy with a 150-200 fps bump in speed over powders like Varget, 4350, and BLC-2. IMHO, this is the biggest reason to reload your own ammunition, even if you're shooting handguns. The ability to change/adjust your loads to match your application is worth its weight in gold. I can go train with cheap 9/40/45 lead reloads that are just barely strong enough to cycle the gun at a fraction of what factory ammo costs, and with a fraction of the recoil.


The other thing to consider is that right now you can buy ammo at roughly the same price you could last year, and the year before. It's gone up, but not at the rate powder has. That will likely change in the very near future. So while cheap and relatively accurate 223 varmint loads may have cost the same last spring as good reloads cost now, by next spring that situation will have corrected itself.
 
This may have been said but I've also looked not only at the precision aspect of things but being able to find ammo when times are tough by manufacturing your own. Now you can negate that by purchasing a large quantity of ammo at one time but as stated before, you have to buy what factory ammo offers. The peace of mind knowing that you don't have to worry about whether you have the ammo to shoot, is a relief.

I have and continue to purchase supplies knowing that down the road I'll be able to load up ammo for my kids who are too young to shoot currently. I enjoy reloading and it's a hobby I do when time allows. I take joy and relief knowing I won't have to worry about components in the future fir quite a while.
 
For most of my life ( so far) shooting and reloading is a hobby.
Once you start wondering about cost ( an investment?) let it go.
Once you’ve determined that NOT shooting or reloading is really saving you money it stopped being a hobby quite some time ago.
 
I myself started out piece mealing reloading components about 4 years ago. My reason for reloading now is for enjoyment, and the fact I can produce more accurate ammo than I could buy.

If you were just looking to save money, I'd find the ammo your firearms like best and find a cheap place online to purchase it, rather than deal with initial start up costs of reloading. It also depends on how much you shoot.

If was trying to make more accurate ammo and fine tune my rifle to squeeze everything I could out of it, I'd start reloading.

I've learned a ton in the past 4 years, and I love reloading and testing and tinkering. I think most everyone on here enjoys some part of the reloading process. If you shoot a lot you will too!
 
I'd bet that there are certain personality traits and characteristics that are evident among folks who are dedicated to reloading. -- such as, a tendency to do a lot of your own repair work. How about home canning and food prep and long term storage. Maybe gardening or cutting your own firewood. Simply making a lot of the stuff that most folks typically buy.

I've always done a lot of this stuff, and it wasn't always because it saved me money. Heck, just today, me and my girl are gonna reload a few dozen jars of sauerkraut. :rolleyes: jd
 
To me, the term of the activity you are describing is all wrong. What would you rather buy, a fresh new tire or a retread? Something new or refurbished? It is describing something that is less than it is.
I prefer to use the term handloading. Handloading connotes handmade. Particular attention to detail. Everything used is new. New bullets, powder, and primers. There is nothing "re" about any of that. You handcraft every bit of your handmade ammunition with your specific firearm in mind. The cost is of some consideration but keep in mind the unique ammunition you have produced. That coupled with the pride and knowledge you now possess.
 
I reload primarily for entertainment and a connection with my father as we shared reloading and shooting. He was a pistol shooter and loved to shoot magnums. Equally I load to feed my Palma, LR, XTC rifles and a wide variety of handguns. I usually buy components on special and cast my pistol bullets. I think I save quite a bit of money reloading. I recommend reloading to anyone who likes shooting because it adds another dimension to the hobby. I think it is a good hobby to have this day and age. In California you have to go through a ffl to buy ammunition.
 
I haven’t had my second cup of coffee yet… but I think I’m reloading for 16 calibers. A few of which I only fire 5-10 rounds a year, others 20-50-100. I haven’t loaded for pistols for some time, but that was 50ish rounds a week at one point.

Last year I fired a couple rounds I had loaded 12 years ago. Spot on. Try to do that with factory ammo in a 12 year span. Unless you’ve purchased a case of the same lot, factory ammo will likely not meet your expectations. Lot to lot variations change in factory ammo just as lot to lot variations change in powder and primers. The beauty of powder and primers; you can buy enough to last decades, or even generations….
 
9mm, unless you want to practice with sd bullets, just buy the fmj stuff, you’ll be better off. Buy a bunch now while it’s cheap.

You'll shoot better ammo for the same money. A lot of people cry and whine that it’s expensive when they find out they can’t load super duper pooper fancy shmantzy ammo for less than bottom shelf 223 costs.

Up to you what you want, but reloading is a cool skill to have. Beware, the rabbit hole is expensive.
 
A box of 20 Hornady 6.5CM 140 eldm rounds costs $130.00 here in NZ, so we have an incentive to reload.
Is this due to taxes, supply and demand, or?
If the ammo costs this much, are reloading components also as expensive?


It takes about a buck seventy New Zealand to get 1 US dollar, so that's some of the difference. beyond that, I guess New Zealand is mo-socialist than us, and mosocialism usually equates to mospensive.
jd
 

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