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Reduced '06 loads with IMR 4350

Have a ton of IMR 4350.
Grandson wants to go deer hunting.
How low can I go with 165grn bullet?
Am thinking 2500fps would be nice.

Lower pressure equals lower recoil.

What do you all think?
 
Have a ton of IMR 4350.
Grandson wants to go deer hunting.
How low can I go with 165grn bullet?
Am thinking 2500fps would be nice.

Lower pressure equals lower recoil.

What do you all think?
I think you have the recoil right
But that isn’t the powder that is normally used
Check on you computer and they have a reduced recoil loads
 
Use H4895. Hodgdon lists the formula for reduced recoil loads to be used ONLY with H4895.
Basically it's 60% of the maximum load LISTED for the particular load/bullet/cartridge combination to start and work up slowly. Google "reduced recoil H4895 loads" for precise info. Check out the Hodgdon site. H4895 is the only powder Hodgdon lists for reduced loads I believe.
 
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Use H4895. Hodgdon lists the formula for reduced recoil loads to be used ONLY with H4895.
Basically it's .60% of the maximum load LISTED for the particular load/bullet/cartridge combination to start and work up slowly. Google "reduced recoil H4895 loads" for precise info. Check out the Hodgdon site. H4895 is the only powder Hodgdon lists for reduced loads I believe.

SSL is right except it is 60% of max not .60%. I use this for reduced loads in my 30-06 and 308 loads for military competition and general target shooting. Espacially when i want to work in position with my form. It is easier yo see mistakes and correct yourself without getting worn out in the process. You might also think of a lighter bullet. I use 125 SMK. But they are not a hunter. I think there are some game kings at around 135. This combination would really be a nice load

David
 
I'm mainly a varmint blasting cast shooter. Running highly frangible bullets usually at starting jacketed "book" loads. I only use 4350 in one instance..... '06 with 175's. The load/tune holds up very well in the wind and off field rests. The problem with "light" 4350 loads is your tuning window shrinks. And then we have to deal with some pretty dangerous uncertainty if straying off the path on the slow side.

Use H4895..... huge tuning window following manufacturers guidelines. Not saying you won't find an accurate load at start values with 4350,just sayin there isn't a lot of room for tuning,down low with it. Good luck with your project.
 
If want to really reduce recoil in a 06 and have a good deer hunting round I would get some 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips. This is a deer hunting bullet not a varmint bullet. You can use your IMR 4350 but it is not the best powder for this bullet but it should work. A start load of 54.7 grs for 2800 fps going up to a max load of 59.8 grs for 3100 fps. You should find acceptable accuracy somewhere in there. I use this bullet in all my 30 cal. weapons for deer and have taken deer out to a little over 300 yards with most DRT. As long as you keep the impact velocity under 3000 fps down to 1800 fps it does great. With the 30-06 I have used the Sierra suggested accuracy load for their 125 gr bullet which is 53.1 grs Varget for 3100 fps. Much less recoil than even 150 gr full loads.
If you just have to stick with the 165 gr bullets Sierra says that a starting load for IMR 4350 is 47.5 grs for 2400 fps and a max load is 56.0 for 2900 fps.
I have taught a number of young folks to shoot and hunt and the number one thing I have seen others do that turned them off quickly to shooting and hunting is trying to start them out with a rifle that recoiled much and not using ear protection. If you really want to have you grandson get into deer hunting and enjoy it with you let me strongly suggest that you get him his own rifle SIZED for him in a caliber that has little or no recoil 243 Win. and 6.5 Grendel calibers are really good ones and come in bolt actions, Ruger and Howa in the 6.5 Grendel which is a great one. One perceived hard kick from a rifle to a kid can ruin a lifetime of joy so don't be a cheep skate.
 
4350 is on the slow side to be suitable for reduced loads in the 30-06 case. H4895 is the ideal powder for reduced loads. As mentioned above, the 125 Nosler Ballistic Tip is also a great bullet for this application.
 
SSL is right except it is 60% of max not .60%. I use this for reduced loads in my 30-06 and 308 loads for military competition and general target shooting. Espacially when i want to work in position with my form. It is easier yo see mistakes and correct yourself without getting worn out in the process. You might also think of a lighter bullet. I use 125 SMK. But they are not a hunter. I think there are some game kings at around 135. This combination would really be a nice load

David

Correct....darned auto-correct! Good catch, thanks!
 
I know this is late to the game so apologies for that. I'm just mentioning it because I found this thread via a search for the same question. I found on Steves Pages that you can run 125gr in the 30-06 with 51-60gr IMR4350. I used 52.5 to get 2450fps with my Tikka 3x Lite. Now, if you are asking "Who is Steve and why should I trust him with my life??" well I can certainly appreciate that sentiment. As always when it comes to reloading, do your research.
Using that same charge with 165 Ballistic tips and Partitions got me 2500 in their respective rifles....
And here's some random info that some might find counter intuitive.... At that velocity, a 125sst will break ribs going in, going out, and leave a healthy exit wound to boot on a nice Wisconsin doe. Well it did at 75 yards anyway.
 
I know this is late to the game so apologies for that. I'm just mentioning it because I found this thread via a search for the same question. I found on Steves Pages that you can run 125gr in the 30-06 with 51-60gr IMR4350. I used 52.5 to get 2450fps with my Tikka 3x Lite.

My bet is that if you were to spread a sheet out on the ground in front of the muzzle, you'd probably be able to collect about 20 gn of unburned powder per round.
 
Two-year-old thread, back to life...

One of the beauties of handloading is that it affords us so much flexibility in the loads that we make. But sometimes a square peg insists on remaining... square. That round hole you're eying is not your friend.

Lest anyone get hurt, contemplating the use of reduced loads using slow powders like IMR-4350, I would commend the story "A Case of Abnormal Pressure - and a Search for the Cause," by Roy Smith in the May/June 1976 issue of Handloader Magazine (#61).

For those who might not have that old magazine at hand, the long and the short was that Mr. Smith blew up his .243 Winchester Model 88 shooting reduced loads of IMR-4350. This despite the capable assistance of RCBS and Nosler (who, among other things, made a Cerro-Safe cast of his chamber). Mr. Smith did not ignore the clear and persistent pressure signs he was periodically experiencing with his "light" handloads. But he did rationalize away much of what he was seeing.

Part of editor Neal Knox's rather lengthy comment at the end of the article:
"Editor’s Note - No one knows the cause of the reduced load phenomenon, but it is not a figment of some careless handloader’s imagination, as some contend. In private, off-the-record conversations, employees of propellant companies have admitted to me that they have experienced it in laboratory tests, even in pressure guns, but they cannot study it, for they cannot reproduce it at will. The knowledge that the phenomenon does exist, and that although rare it could hurt someone, is the reason why some of the ultra-slow non-canister powders used in some magnum factory loads is not made available to handloaders.

Whatever the cause of the phenomenon, “‘S.E.E.” is not anything to worry about so long as you follow the rule of not reducing slow-burning powder charges more than 10 percent below maximum. Although it’s a rule that can be broken 99 percent of the time, once in a while, under a special set of circumstances, something triggers the phenomenon - we know not what. - N.K."
 
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Two-year-old thread, back to life...

One of the beauties of handloading is that it affords us so much flexibility in the loads that we make. But sometimes a square peg insists on remaining... square. That round hole you're eying is not your friend.

Lest anyone get hurt, contemplating the use of reduced loads using slow powders like IMR-4350, I would commend the story "A Case of Abnormal Pressure - and a Search for the Cause," by Roy Smith in the March/April 1971 issue of Handloader Magazine (#30).

For those who might not have that old magazine at hand, the long and the short was that Mr. Smith blew up his .243 Winchester Model 88 shooting reduced loads of IMR-4350. This despite the capable assistance of RCBS and Nosler (who, among other things, made a Cerro-Safe cast of his chamber). Mr. Smith did not ignore the clear and persistent pressure signs he was periodically experiencing with his "light" handloads. But he did rationalize away much what he was seeing.

Part of editor Neal Knox's rather lengthy comment at the end of the article:
"Editor’s Note - No one knows the cause of the reduced load phenomenon, but it is not a figment of some careless handloader’s imagination, as some contend. In private, off-the-record conversations, employees of propellant companies have admitted to me that they have experienced it in laboratory tests, even in pressure guns, but they cannot study it, for they cannot reproduce it at will. The knowledge that the phenomenon does exist, and that although rare it could hurt someone, is the reason why some of the ultra-slow non-canister powders used in some magnum factory loads is not made available to handloaders.

Whatever the cause of the phenomenon, “‘S.E.E.” is not anything to worry about so long as you follow the rule of not reducing slow-burning powder charges more than 10 percent below maximum. Although it’s a rule that can be broken 99 percent of the time, once in a while, under a special set of circumstances, something triggers the phenomenon - we know not what. - N.K."
Wow. That is some scary information. Thank you very much for bringing it to my attention
 

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