red stag 7 rem mag

[DRAGO1]

ok, i bought berger 168 vld hunting bullets! now i'm going to reload...just a thing: i use norma mrp on 7 rem, from 140 gameking up to partition 150 and 162a-max, from 71 grs to 69 grs for a-max;
have you any suggestions? steyr and concari rifle,barrel 26" and i'm pissed of that my loads performs the same velocity in a mauser of my friend with a 24 barrel!!and the same "problem" occours with another rifle: a voere! time ago i read that 7 rem is very sensible to the barrel diameter drilling..may this is true? i have to improve or i'll go crazy :-((

 

[bozo699]

ok, i bought berger 168 vld hunting bullets! now i'm going to reload...just a thing: i use norma mrp on 7 rem, from 140 gameking up to partition 150 and 162a-max, from 71 grs to 69 grs for a-max;
have you any suggestions? steyr and concari rifle,barrel 26" and i'm pissed of that my loads performs the same velocity in a mauser of my friend with a 24 barrel!!and the same "problem" occours with another rifle: a voere! time ago i read that 7 rem is very sensible to the barrel diameter drilling..may this is true? i have to improve or i'll go crazy :-((

DRAGO1,
Slow down and take a deep breath my friend, your English will improve and your rifle will perform better When you say you have to improve or you will go crazy what do you mean, is your rifle not shooting accurate enough? poor bullet performance issues? or is it you? If this is a factory rifle I often find there never accurate for my goals without some work, don't worry if your rifle is not shooting as fast as your friends, it's probably a twist issue.It is impossible to force a rifle to shoot so if your mad, upset, or just having a bad day it will only amplify accuracy issues. Bergers can be frustrating to get the seating depth where the bullet performs the best, most of mine like to be jammed but some shoot better jumping so if you can load at the range it will help you a lot in finding a load quickly if not there may be more frustrating days to come. Has this rifle been proven to be accurate it the past, if not you may spend a lot of time and money finding a load it will shoot. My .300wm shoots the 210 Berger bullets excellent, IMO,...5 shot in 5" @ 1K, repeatably My 7mm RM will do about the same but these are not off the shelf rifles, there both 700 Remingtons, re-barreled,re-stocked, re-triggered, and trued up, I hope this helps some, and remember, Take a deep breath, start out in a good mood, focused and optimistic, and if the rifle has shown no signs of being accurate, more bullets and powder probably won't help, call a gunsmith.
Wayne.

 

[DRAGO1]

ok,i go explain better...308winchester 70 heavy warmint is out of discussion: groups of 3", 5" @ 800y, a-max 155grs; no problem steyr and concari rifle in 7 rem (fitted vith swarowsky 6x42): have been used only @400y max, few times, and 99% on roedeer and alpine chamois vithout particulars problems; from 2009 we can hunt red deer but shoot may become out to 600yards, i never shoot at this distance with these rifles and i want to be ready for this : animals deserve our respect. here, in italy, few,few people have real experience about long range shooting, but they have many many empty words!
so first of all i have to purchase a better scope, maybe a leupold 8,5-25 and spend time in tests.
i go crazy( a little ) ) because the same load perform (in velocity) the same in rifle with barrels 2" shorter than mines, but is not a real drama, obviously. simply i have the sensation to miss something to make a real step ahead

thanks a lot to you

 

[bozo699]

DRAGO1,
I really enjoy talking with you, I want you to quit worrying about your friends rifle shooting faster then yours, there is nothing you can do about it and there are several possibilities that it could be but it is just not that important. Yes a 6 power scope is indeed going to be tough to target practice at 600 yards but Swarovski scopes are very bright and clear and with a properly sized and colored target I think your results will satisfactory. Load some of those Berger 168's up and shoot a couple on a clean barrel to foul it, then put three on paper at 100 yards (300 feet) if you can put three shots in 1" or less then you should be accurate enough to cleanly take a Red Stag at 600 yards. Of course you will need to practice on targets so you know where to aim or how many clicks you need to move your scope to be right on, I think you could do it with the 6 power scope you have but a larger power would be more ideal, but see if your rifle is capable of shooting well enough to take game out to 600 yards, you have at 400 yards so chances are it will do the job out to 600 as well but you need to find out, if it will then you might want to buy a scope with extra cross hairs to accommodate you out to 600 yards or so, test your rifle and let us know how it does please, I will be anxiously awaiting your reply my friend
Wayne.

 

[DRAGO1]

first of all I want to tell you that I use a bit of irony in my despair, but I am a very positive man:are other real problems in life , we are having fun .
having said that, now the real problem is that the hunting season is closed until July and here there is little chance to practice with, weapons in Italy are considered as a disease and there are no polygons for the 300 meters in less than 150km . for longer distances just do not exist! the only near polygon, 20km, was closed last November ... incredible :'(
Perhaps we can have a temporary permit for another, up to 200m, otherwise i must wait until the next hunting season ..
usa are another world..
now i can only show my old targets, if i find them ???

 

[AckleymanII]

DRAGO1.........

My family has killed several hundred white tails here in SC over the last 25 years with a 160g Sierra SpBt with a charge of 60-61g of IMR 4350 with a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps...deer just die. I can remember 1 deer only moving after the shot.

On your 308, we have had fantastic luck with the 150g Hornady Flat base Sp with a charge of 59g of IMR 4350.

If you wanted to shoot to 600 yards, the 7 mag with a load of 69-71g of Retumbo, Fed 215, Hornady 162g SST in Rem brass has a MV of 3100 fps out of a 26" barrel and works very well on deer, eland, and Kudu.

Good luck and best wishes on this year's hunt.

 

[DRAGO1]

:I would have another question: I have to build a custom rail to mount another scope without removing the welded bases that I have now(pic 1) and I wonder if there may be alignment or other problems letting the rings are too close together, (about 2,7 inches from center to center(pic 3-4), while now they are away about 5 inches; if there aren't problems, i can buy " Leupold qr gunmaker bases" and work on them(pic 2)or do you think that the Leupold rear base, so amended is too weak(pic 2)? otherwise i have to make the rail you can see in pictures and i have basically 2 options: to put the rear new base back(pic5) or front to back welded base(pic 3)
does anyone know if the type of welded base that you see in the picture is solid steel and can be drilled and tapped or if I have to drill even the action?
anyone has any other ideas?
i hope all this work can help me to obtain results as you can see in the last picture, with 308win and leupold scope vx3 8.5-25x40 (from top to bottom 800meters 155 a max 47grs vithavuori n135, 570meters 155 a max 46grs vithavuori n140, 570meters 155 a max 46grs vithavuori n135 : for my standards, a great day :-[

thank you

 

[yukonal]

Welcome to the forum. In the 7 Rem Mag, try:

140, 160 AccuBond's, and 168 Berger VLD's (hunting)

Reloader 25, and Hodgdon H 1000

Good luck with your shooting.

 

[wapiti25]

See if you can order 7mm Rem Mag ammo from GunWerks. It is loaded with 168 Berger bullets. I shot this ammo in a schooting school to 1200 yds. It will kill bull elk to 700 yds or about 650meters. GunWerks people have used that load on about 40 bull elk at over 500 yds. Friend killed a Wyoming bull moose at 512 yds, 1 shot and it dropped where it stood. The ammo is very accurate.

 

[bozo699]

:I would have another question: I have to build a custom rail to mount another scope without removing the welded bases that I have now(pic 1) and I wonder if there may be alignment or other problems letting the rings are too close together, (about 2,7 inches from center to center(pic 3-4), while now they are away about 5 inches; if there aren't problems, i can buy " Leupold qr gunmaker bases" and work on them(pic 2)or do you think that the Leupold rear base, so amended is too weak(pic 2)? otherwise i have to make the rail you can see in pictures and i have basically 2 options: to put the rear new base back(pic5) or front to back welded base(pic 3)
does anyone know if the type of welded base that you see in the picture is solid steel and can be drilled and tapped or if I have to drill even the action?
anyone has any other ideas?
i hope all this work can help me to obtain results as you can see in the last picture, with 308win and leupold scope vx3 8.5-25x40 (from top to bottom 800meters 155 a max 47grs vithavuori n135, 570meters 155 a max 46grs vithavuori n140, 570meters 155 a max 46grs vithavuori n135 : for my standards, a great day :-[

thank you

Partner, I don't know what you got going on here but remove the old bases, have a smith mount your new bases correctly!!! you will be pulling your hair out even moore then you have been if you cobble up some thing like that and try to shoot long range with it.
Wayne.

 

[DRAGO1]

Sorry, honestly am a little confused, I always knew that the claw mounts was the best solution (apart from having to remove) and I remove it sorry, I want it, where reuse

:'(

http://www.eaw.de/en/products/claw-mounts.html

 

[yukonal]

Listen to BOZO. He's been giving you good, solid advice.

Get those bases off of there, install a picatinny rail on the action, a set of Nightforce clamp on rings, and a 3.5-15 NXS Nightforce scope, and go shoot your long range.

Load up some 160 grain Accubonds over H 1000 and go kill stuff. Simple as that... 8)

 

[bozo699]

Sorry, honestly am a little confused, I always knew that the claw mounts was the best solution (apart from having to remove) and I remove it sorry, I want it, where reuse

:'(

http://www.eaw.de/en/products/claw-mounts.html

DRAGO1,
Thank you for the site,...now you have taught me something new, I will research this when I have a little more time, I have never seen or heard of this mounting system.
Wayne.

 

[DRAGO1]

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