RCBS Bench Primer w Holland Upgrade vs Primal Rights $600.00 Tool

[6BRA]

HAS ANYONE HERE USED BOTH. BOTH OF THESE UNITS SEAT THE PRIMER BY ADJUSTMENT AND CONTROL DEPTH AND CRUSH? I HAVE USED THE RCBS BENCH SEATER FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. NOT INTERESTED IN HIGH VOLUME/ INTERESTED IN BLUEPRINTED AMMO. WHAT WILL THE CPS DO THAT THE RCBS WITH HOLLAND UPGRADE WONT DO?


TIA

 

[zipollini]

Try this one. Super precise and doesn't cost $ 600

-Gen III Super Precision Click Head Bench Rest Priming Tool

Primer seating is an often overlooked yet important aspect of reloading. How a primer is seated affects the safety, reliability and accuracy of a load. Primers consist of three main components: the primer cap, the impact sensitive priming mixture, and the anvil. The anvil is three pronged and...

21stcenturyinnovation.com

 

[6BRA]

So, what will the 21st century do, that the other 2 mentioned above wont? I already have the RCBS bench priming tool. To control depth and crush I am ordering the Holland perfect primer seater add on. I must say, I doubt I would leave a bench type tool. What will any of these units do, that the other wont?

 

[Franko]

I have owned both but the RCBS did not have the Holland add-in to control seating depth. The RCBS was nicely made and worked well but the CPS is a work of art.

Is it worth it? I don't know, but if I was starting over and knew the Holland kit was as precise on seating depth control as the CPS I'd probably buy the RCBS for two reasons:

1. Price - the CPS is about twice as much
2. Ergonomics. The CPS makes you pull towards you using your shoulder and the RCBS has a longer lever and allows you to push "down" so you can use your body weight. Less physical effort is good.

 

[209jones]

Holland upgrade kit, eh? Just ordered an RCBS bench seater, on sale on Amazon. NOW, tanks to youse, here we go again, to check that out!!! I knew I shouldn't a looked at this site today
And after looking, meh, 170,00 US x1.29 exchange + frt, the RCBS tool was 100.00 cdn, I'll pass for now.

 

[6BRA]

I don't mind paying for good equipment. They both control.depth with hard stops. Looking for someone to convince me that the CPS is worth the extra money. Been posted all day, nobody even trying. Wow.

 

[nakneker]

I don't mind paying for good equipment. They both control.depth with hard stops. Looking for someone to convince me that the CPS is worth the extra money. Been posted all day, nobody even trying. Wow.

600.00 is a lot for a priming tool, I’m watching this to see what comments come in.

 

[6BRA]

600.00 is a lot for a priming tool, I’m watching this to see what comments come in.

It's more than 600, by the time you buy new shell holders. You will be into deeper than that. They can't keep them in stock is the funny thing.

 

[nakneker]

It's more than 600, by the time you buy new shell holders. You will be into deeper than that. They can't keep them in stock is the funny thing.

Crazy. I’m still using an Old obsolete RCBS tool like the one pictured and its works great but I don’t shoot competition either. I’m hoping some feedback comes in, I’m truly curious.

 

[6BRA]

Primer tool question

I have a brand new rcbs and was going to get the holland perfect primer tool. But I can afford the primal rights cps. So should keep rcbs or just return it and get the other. Really torn. I’m thinking I can do the same result with rcbs than the other. Just confused on what to do.

forum.accurateshooter.com

 

[Karlandco]

I use the RCBS with Hollands upgrade. It works pretty good, not perfect. Given the cost of the Primal Rights I'd buy the Hollands again. Here's the deal though, not all primer pockets are the same depth so without sorting them by depth, seating primers to all the same depth will have inconsistent ignition anyway. This is true of both tools. I don't know a super fast, accurate way of measuring primer depth and the way I do know is slow. I've found the RCBS with Hollands to be pretty consistant. Your still going to have to employ a decent "feel" for seating as the stop screw will not completely stop the plunger in its tracks. The handle is long and your leverage will still over/under seat the primer. I've found a good way of minimizing this. The screw stops on a sliding bar. ""When you get the tool you'll know what I'm talking about."" When I push the handle down to seat the primer I simultaneously rotate the bar. Once the depth set screw makes contact with the bar, you can't rotate it anymore. This gives you an exact "feel" for when your depth has been reached. IMO a seater that seats by pressure might be a better method but then again some pockets can be tighter than others as well. I haven't tested numerous depths but I like knowing my ignition is "more" consistant than before I owned this tool. By the way, pocket depth can be measured 2 ways: case head to pocket depth and depth of pocket to inside of flash hole ....which is probably more important. Good luck measuring that one on several hundred rounds!

 

[6BRA]

Good info Karlandco

 

[Karlandco]

Pics of the bar and depth set screw

 

[Beiruty]

I hate it when people try to sell snake oil.
Get this

 

[6BRA]

Wouldn't a pocket uniformer eliminate short pockets...still would do nothing for long pockets..which would need culled. Don't all measuring tools index off case head?

 

[Karlandco]

Watch the you tube video between Erik Cortina and CPS guy and you might get some questions answered

 

[Dave M.]

Wouldn't a pocket uniformer eliminate short pockets...still would do nothing for long pockets..which would need culled.

Primer pockets should never be long. I uniform all pockets to a depth of .1195” and I’ve never found a single piece of Lapua 6BR brass that didn’t clean up completely (and I’ve cleaned up 1000’s of pieces of brass)
Dave

 

[kenhwind]

Wouldn't a pocket uniformer eliminate short pockets...still would do nothing for long pockets..which would need culled. Don't all measuring tools index off case head?

I do this to all of my brass:

SINCLAIR INTERNATIONAL SINCLAIR UNIFORMER KIT WITH SCREWDRIVER ADAPTOR | Brownells

Save money by purchasing our rifle uniformers in one of the two kits we offer. 1) The hand kit (UN-8K) comes with a large rifle uniformer, a small rifle uniformer, and a handle. 2) The power kit (UN-8KP) comes with a large rifle uniformer, a small...

www.brownells.com

 

[6BRA]

I use the RCBS with Hollands upgrade. It works pretty good, not perfect. Given the cost of the Primal Rights I'd buy the Hollands again. Here's the deal though, not all primer pockets are the same depth so without sorting them by depth, seating primers to all the same depth will have inconsistent ignition anyway. This is true of both tools. I don't know a super fast, accurate way of measuring primer depth and the way I do know is slow. I've found the RCBS with Hollands to be pretty consistant. Your still going to have to employ a decent "feel" for seating as the stop screw will not completely stop the plunger in its tracks. The handle is long and your leverage will still over/under seat the primer. I've found a good way of minimizing this. The screw stops on a sliding bar. ""When you get the tool you'll know what I'm talking about."" When I push the handle down to seat the primer I simultaneously rotate the bar. Once the depth set screw makes contact with the bar, you can't rotate it anymore. This gives you an exact "feel" for when your depth has been reached. IMO a seater that seats by pressure might be a better method but then again some pockets can be tighter than others as well. I haven't tested numerous depths but I like knowing my ignition is "more" consistant than before I owned this tool. By the way, pocket depth can be measured 2 ways: case head to pocket depth and depth of pocket to inside of flash hole ....which is probably more important. Good luck measuring that one on several hundred rounds!

Can you elaborate on your 2 forms of measuring tools?

 

[6BRA]

I do this to all of my brass:

SINCLAIR INTERNATIONAL SINCLAIR UNIFORMER KIT WITH SCREWDRIVER ADAPTOR | Brownells

Save money by purchasing our rifle uniformers in one of the two kits we offer. 1) The hand kit (UN-8K) comes with a large rifle uniformer, a small rifle uniformer, and a handle. 2) The power kit (UN-8KP) comes with a large rifle uniformer, a small...

www.brownells.com

Have K&M versions..