RATE 6MM'S

[everett]

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH 6MM CARTRIDGE IS THE MOST EFFICIENT? WHICH ONE GETS THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK? THE ONE THAT GETS THE MOST OUT OF THE POWDER USED, PLUS ACCURATE, PLUS BARREL LIFE, AND NOT HARD OR COSTLY TO RELOAD? ONE YOU CAN SHOOT OFF THE BENCH, TAKE DEER HUNTING USING HEAVY BULLETS. IS THERE A SUCH A 6MM?

 

[treeman]

everett, I think the 6XC comes pretty close. it is alittle easier on barrels than the 243. the 6XC won the 300m prone world championship so its plenty accurate. just my opinion______treeman

 

[ollie]

The 6x47lapua or the 6br. If you own one of these you can kill just about anything east of the mississippi.

 

[Bkluke]

6 Dasher is #1 in my book. :thumb:

 

[jamesh]

Given your barrel life and powder efficiency requirement, gotta be the 6mmx45.
James

 

[6BR]

The 6BR gets my vote.

 

[Travelor]

Love the 6mmBR and find it very efficient.

I load 30 grains of Varget with a 105 grain Berger and it works out past 1000 yards and groups wonderfully.

George

 

[Preacher]

I have lots of different calibers that do very well, but for your requests, the 6br is the way to go....

 

[HPMike800]

Because you'll probably be using a repeater, I'd say 6XC as the 6BR dosen't load well out of 308 length mags. Norma makes 6XC brass too. Since you may be shooting in cold weather the 6XC has a large primer where the 6X47 Lapua has a small primer.

Mike

 

[Obtunded]

In terms of efficiency, 6BR is near the top with 30-ish grains of powder being the average

In terms of accuracy, 6PPC is still hard to beat but whimps out past 200 yards. Beyond that, the 6BR is as good as they get. I have shot them to one mile with superb accuracy.

XC and 6X47L are more powerful, but not more accurate and power comes the expense of barrel life. 243 and the 6 REM are barrel burners with no advantage in terms of accuracy

 

[icepick]

I'm quite happy with my 6Br but wouldnt use it for Deer.
Smoking ground hogs maybe but nothing as large as a dear, i'd want to guarantee not having to chase it and my bullets are only 105-107 gr.

Mike

 

[chrisj]

I would definately use a 6br on deer. If you handload the 6br...you can be very close,within 100 fps or so) to some factory 243 loads. A 95 Nosler @ 2900 or an 85 Barnes tsx @ 3000 will take any deer you see with proper shot pacement.

Chris

 

[j_22250]

In terms of efficiency, 6BR is near the top with 30-ish grains of powder being the average

In terms of accuracy, 6PPC is still hard to beat but whimps out past 200 yards. Beyond that, the 6BR is as good as they get. I have shot them to one mile with superb accuracy.

XC and 6X47L are more powerful, but not more accurate and power comes the expense of barrel life. 243 and the 6 REM are barrel burners with no advantage in terms of accuracy

Your last statment is a little off. I know of plenty 243 and 6mm that shoot 1/2" MOA out to 300 yrds. My off the shelf remmy 243 shoots 3/4" groups at 200yrds with factory 100gr SP's.

 

[Obtunded]

Your last statment is a little off. I know of plenty 243 and 6mm that shoot 1/2" MOA out to 300 yrds. My off the shelf remmy 243 shoots 3/4" groups at 200yrds with factory 100gr SP's.

That was my point. 1/2 MOA won't win matches where the V-bull is .5MOA. I would personally get rid of a .5 MOA barrel, but that is the nature of game I play.

BR, XC, 6X47 are all capable of accuracy far superior to .5MOA

If you can shoot sub .5 moa groups with a factory gun shooting factory ammo, keep it, it's a rare anomaly!

 

[Mech]

I find these discussion very interesting as what caliber is more accurate,barrel life, and efficient. I can not make the argument hold up for manner in which an individual will use his gun. As stated in a previous thread I own three 3 6MM's, what I did not say I am in the process of wring out a 6 BR. The first item one has to look at is the cost of getting a 6 BR or a 6MM. That initial investment hurts the 6BR. Only one manufacture is building a 6BR. Then most of the shooters that are using the BR, had to have there pet action re-barreled. If that action is a standard action from Rem, Win.,or Savage, to deliver the sub-moa, it has to be trued. Not cheap by any means. Then the cost of the cases, another bit. The non-standard 6's are efficient, but not to build. So in my humble opinion the standard 6's are the best.

Mark, The Mech

 

[Obtunded]

Quantifying what rife you consider "best" based on costs, will eliminate all of the most accurate. The best tool for the job of delivering consistent accuracy will always be on the expensive side. There are very few factory barrels that will even come close to the top custom makers such a Krieger, Bartlein etc., so whether you use a 243 or a 6-284 the cost of smithing that gun will be about the same. It is impossible to compare a factory rifle with a custom target rifle. Savage is trying and in many cases they work well, but there are plenty of Savage F & F/TR rifles out there that have failed to live up to the hype.

 

[j_22250]

Your last statment is a little off. I know of plenty 243 and 6mm that shoot 1/2" MOA out to 300 yrds. My off the shelf remmy 243 shoots 3/4" groups at 200yrds with factory 100gr SP's.

That was my point. 1/2 MOA won't win matches where the V-bull is .5MOA. I would personally get rid of a .5 MOA barrel, but that is the nature of game I play.

BR, XC, 6X47 are all capable of accuracy far superior to .5MOA

If you can shoot sub .5 moa groups with a factory gun shooting factory ammo, keep it, it's a rare anomaly!

I'm not trying to be an asshole, but isn't 1/2MOA and .5MOA the same thing?? Although my 243 dosn't give me match grade accuracy aren't .75" groups at 200 yards 1/2" MOA?? PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.

 

[Obtunded]

I'm not correcting you, I just have a hard time believing you. 3/4 at 200 is just under .4 MOA,about .375 actually)

 

[j_22250]

i bought this gun at academy and in a 1 1/2 years shot about 6 boxes thru it and never used a copper solvent. It started to shoot 3-5" groups at 100 yrds. I clened the crap out of it and soaked overnight twice untill the majority of the copper was out. Went to the range and shot the same size groups with it at 100 and 200 yards,3/4"). Both could be covered up by a quarter. 3/4" at 100 is about as good as it gets with winchester super x 100gr pp. I have not had a chance to do any handloading for this gun cuz i have too many others that i am handloading for. this is the first rifle i grab when i go calling or hunting. I have a .308 that shoots in the same hole at 200yrds; I always seem to have a flyer on the 3rd shot tho; ruining my group. I tried some new loads in my 6x47 lapua today. 87gr. Hornady BTHP,40grs IMR and an C.O.L. of 2.520 shot in the same hole at 100yrds. The wind had picked up and both groups that i shot 200 were only around an inch so I splatterd a few rocks at 200 with the remaining shells. The rocks were softball sized with some alittle larger. Can't wait to loat some more and get back out to the range.

 

[Mech]

Obtunded,

You are so correct that to bases the best on cost is not really a fair way to judge a rifle. But if you are looking for function for a purpose. Now that is where you have to think hard. If you are shooting in a match, Bench Rest, and or F-Class you have to have the best equipment. But if you are a varmint hunter you really do not need that fine edge a custom rifle brings. I have two completely custom Dog rifles. I able to hit just as many animals with a Factory rifle as I do with the High Dollar Customs. I guess you could say it is not how well you shoot but how well you look while doing it!

Mark "The Mech"