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Question on SRP 308 Cases

HotRod30-8

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I wanted to use Small primer cases in 308 Palma loads. I have a new savage Palma rifle and did some testing already. I used star cases small primer, 7-1/2, varget 46.4, 155 ELDM .010 from lands. Reached 2999 FPS but group a little big at 1-1/4 for 5 shots.

Was looking for ideas to try, primer and bullets Suggestions. Thanks.
 
Swap in a Berger 155.5 or maybe Berger 185 juggernaut depending on twist. If it won’t shoot with one of those it won’t shoot.

REM 7.5 and Fed GM205M both have worked good for me.
 
Not very much information and that generally causes threads to swirl.

If there was ever a cartridge with lots of Pet Loads, the 308 WIN for Palma has to rank high on the list, so maybe narrow things down a little more and give us the context.

If you are using a good Palma Match RIg, and you are seeing 1.25 MOA dispersion, something is very wrong... or you haven't told us everything....

Have you tested with a Berger or Sierra 155? These are actual Palma bullets meant for competition at distance.

In a Palm patterned bbl, they are going to be well below 0.5 MOA for 20 shot strings once you are shown the ropes.

Are we discussing actual Palma shooting, or are we just calling 308 WIN loads "Palma"?
Are you experienced with Palma sights, or are we discussing testing with a scope?
Are you testing from prone with a sling, or from rests?
Do you know your chamber specs, and can you share your bbl length?

There are several issues to developing a new Palma shooter that are best done under the tutelage of an experienced club or coach.
A club would adopt you and bring you up to speed on hardware/ammo so you could concentrate on learning to shoot.
In other words, Palma loads are not a mystery, and we don't want rookies wasting time on load development when they should be focused on sling shooting and the wind calls.
 
Being a factory barrel the throat is kind of long I believe. The 155 ELDM seats where base of bullet is at shoulder neck area. The 2556c sierra is almost failing out of case when touching lands, it’s barely into the neck. The 155 TMK is better it is into the neck a little more. Second time shooting the rifle I loaded the tmk .010, .030, .050 off. .030 was best at 5 shots being about 9/16 in size. I used CCI 450 with 46.1 g varget had a few that where sticky in the chamber, took a little more effort to pull them out. They were about 2950fps.

I haven’t glass bedded the rifle yet either, but wanted to get something close to try in the spring.
 
This will give you a good background on primers. I think this is about the fourth time I have share this link this week. I'm not saying primer selections are unimportant, but I am saying that beginners have much more important things to master before they can find the difference in primers when running a factory rifle.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/a-primer-on-primers.6936610/

Again, I realize you are new here, but try and give as much background detail as possible when asking questions. It gives you a more filtered set of answers in topics that can run wide.

When you say factory barrel, are you talking about some sort of hunting/carry rifle or a match gun?
ETA: OP says this is a Savage factory Palma. The chamber specs are not clear, but the Savage page says the bbl is a 30" button in 1:13 twist.
If you don't know the chamber specs, that is okay but try to share the bbl length, twist, and section?

For example, I have a Remington 700 with a 20" heavy bbl 308WIN with factory chamber/bbl with a 10 twist.
Or, I have a Browning XBolt with a 22" in 12 twist.


Then you may also want to share what your goals really are, will you be shooting this in a Palma Match. Give better detail and background, and you will get better advice.

If you are up to speed, stop reading here. If you are really still leaning, then....

Unless you are running the same pattern rig the Palma team was running when they played with the differences between LRP and SRP, then you may want to slow down and take it from the first chapter instead of jumping to the PhD section. Their reamers and bbls were specific to their loads and brass.

It takes a match rig context to find the difference that created SRP Palma brass. Otherwise, rookies should start with good quality LRP brass and avoid running ball powders in cold weather till they know what they are doing.

You are clearly not discussing a Palm with their reamer, so try not to obsess over their Palma loads unless you are actually running an International Palma Team chamber. You would know it if you had one. This has little or nothing to do with your primer selection so far.

Not to deride a factory rig before I know what you even have, but the primer is probably the least of your concerns as a beginner.

Using Palma brass with small rifle pockets isn't the place to start a factory barrel hunting rig when learning the ropes. This is because we may want to run it in cold weather. Our focus is not on worrying about primer pockets getting loose or the same topics that the Palma Team was working when small primer 308 WIN brass became a thing.

You can still do better than 1.25 MOA with this SRP brass, but it will start with a bullet the gun likes and an extruded powder to make ignition easy no matter what primers you have.

Try to avoid running ball powders with small primers in cold weather. If you must, then use magnum primers like the CCI450 or similar.

Try to run a good quality extruded powder in LRP Lapua brass before you try small primers or ball powders.
Try a different bullet sooner rather than later.

Good Luck and Happy New Year!!!
 
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If you're not breaking 3000fps with that load, you must be running a short barrel. Which indicates to me its not a competition/ palma barrel? As usually at 28 + inches they will surppass 3000 fps.Running SRP brass often means burning about 1/2 grain more powder to get the same velocities as LRP brass.
I load ELDMs for a palma rifle (TR) here. It's only a 28 inch barrel but goes over the magic number. If you want to persist with the SRP brass you may want to run a faster powder, so you get enough in the case.
The 71/2 primer is a good ignition source and so is the 450. Running high pressure loads I opt for them with the cup thickness they provide too.
 
Getting 1 1/4" groups can be very common with some barrels that will otherwise shoot fantastic once you find what they like. Most often, changing rifle brass or primer and even changing seating depth won't bring a 1 1/4" group down to a bitty one. I'd go straight to either changing powders to suit your bullets or the other way around. If I'm intent on a particular bullet, I have in rare occasions had to try a half dozen or more powders to find what I was after. As an example, when shooting several powders in a .308 (M-1A Super Match) that I have, here are the group sizes I got using different powders with the same bullet, which in this case was a plinking load using 155 Nosler CC's.
IMR 4064 1 1/2"
Accurate LT32 .843"
N140 .348"
Rel 15 .320"
Had this been a bolt gun, I'm sure I could have coaxed a smaller group - but gives one an idea as to how different the powders can be with the same bullet, set at the same depth, same primer, case, etc. I always try to put a few faster powders and a few slower powders in the mix. But I don't strive for velocity as much as raw accuracy.

These loads were fired using Federal cases, not known as the best for target shooting.
 
“I have a new savage Palma rifle“

OP’s post is pretty short, but some still missed the important points like the line quoted above.
I cut the generic parts since his bbl is a 30" 1:13 twist.
Still, it should be doing better than 1.25 MOA with a 155 bullet, but it might just need something other than the ELDM and more like a Sierra or Berger ogive.
 
Palma people I know shoot a 1-11 twist 30 inch with the 155.5 Bergers
Yes, although generally they will have a suitable chamber and freebore that would be < .050. This set up suits the Sierra 2156 Palma and Berger 155.5 Full Bore projectiles both having shorter bearing surfaces compared to the Scenar 155 L.

Chamber details from the OP would help as others have mentioned. Otherwise the OP might want to acquire a few 155.5's (or 2156's) and some 155L's, seat them to touch and compare COAL's.
 

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