Question about FFL for those that know...

[jwv2001]

I was talking to a friend last night. I had heard he had an FFL and asked him about it.
First of all, I will let you know that I am from California, Fresno to be specific.
He confirmed to me that he indeed have the FFL, however, it only was a collectors' FFL. He could only deal in a certain class of firearms. We didn't really discuss the parameters for a "collecters" firearm. The reason he told me that he got this FFL was to be able to buy ammo online, In CA, you have to buy ammo from an in-state dealer. I have to talk to him at length about this in the future. I was wondering if anyone here had any info regarding this type of FFL.

 

[pauls]

A Curio & Relic License, perhaps?

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

You can collect 50+ year old firearms, sometimes called a Curio and Relic Lic. Not a firearms business lic. The ammo part must be a state law loop hole. Renew lic every 3 years. Firearms meeting the lic requirements can ship directly to you. You maintain the records.

 

[DRK]

You can collect 50+ year old firearms, sometimes called a Curio and Relic Lic. Not a firearms business lic. The ammo part must be a state law loop hole. Renew lic every 3 years. Firearms meeting the lic requirements can ship directly to you. You maintain the records.

We have a winner. 03 C&R FFL. 50+ years old or otherwise designated C&R by ATF.

Ammunition or components thereof is not restricted across state lines. Anything CA does in their borders is state law.

 

[coford]

I had a C & R License for 20+ years. You could buy longguns and handguns across state lines with it. The purpose of the License was for collecting and not commerce. I bought and traded many old military rifles and handguns with it. One advantage of having one was that some suppliers and dealers ( Brownells, Midway, and Grafs) would give you a discount on what you bought from them - parts, ammo, supplies, and accessories. They pretty much shut that down 5 to 10 years ago so I eventually gave up my License.

 

[jwv2001]

We have a winner. 03 C&R FFL. 50+ years old or otherwise designated C&R by ATF.

So it's not a 50+ year old firearm, but a designated firearm that is 50+ years old.

 

[DRK]

So it's not a 50+ year old firearm, but a designated firearm that is 50+ years old.

No, it is either or, i.e. made 50+ years from current date or otherwise designed by ATF for reasons of novelty, bizarre, collectible, association with a specific time period, person, historical figure, etc.

Approx. 20 years ago, ATF designated all Thompson SMGs C&R regardless of date of manufacture as C&R. As such, these can transfer directly across state lines tax paid to a C&R license, provided state law allows.

Title I firearms 50+ years old, i.e. 03A3, M1 Garand, Colt 1917s, can transfer directly across states line to a C&R licensee from either another licensee or non-licensee, provided state law allows.

CA may have a requirement Title I firearms transfer into the state to a licensed dealer, manufacturer, or importer to comply with their approved listed, DROS, waiting period, etc. You would have to check with Cal DOJ firearms.

 

[jwv2001]

No, it is either or, i.e. made 50+ years from current date or otherwise designed by ATF for reasons of novelty, bizarre, collectible, association with a specific time period, person, historical figure, etc.

So what you're saying is a Rem. Model 700 is considered a curio, or a Ruger 10/22. Anything made 50 years ago.

 

[DRK]

So what you're saying is a Rem. Model 700 is considered a curio, or a Ruger 10/22. Anything made 50 years ago.

Yes, date of manufactuer of the particular serial no., not whether the model is still in production.

 

[Lucky Shooter]

How does this apply to the various Pre-64 Winchesters /

A. Weldy

 

[tommeboy]

ANYTHING that is 50 years old or older is a C&R