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Question about bullet dimensions

I'm sure there's a simple answer to this question, but I can't seem to find it...

The image below is my understanding of bullet dimension measurements;

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So, that the boatail length and bearing surface length would equal the BTO length. But looking over some Berger specs, the numbers don't match up.

For instance, a 180gr Hybrid. Boat Tail is .245 and Bearing Surface is .430, but BTO is .768. What accounts for the other .093?

Just trying to get a better understanding here...
 

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I'm sure there's a simple answer to this question, but I can't seem to find it...

The image below is my understanding of bullet dimension measurements;

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So, that the boatail length and bearing surface length would equal the BTO length. But looking over some Berger specs, the numbers don't match up.

For instance, a 180gr Hybrid. Boat Tail is .245 and Bearing Surface is .430, but BTO is .768. What accounts for the other .093?

Just trying to get a better understanding here...
Is that BTO a measurement you took or from their website?
 
I’m guessing the tool they used was land diameter not bore diameter. Measuring with that tool would approximate the riflings just as the bullet would contact the riflings in your barrel. That would be a spot forward of the front of the bearing surface towards the point of the bullet. A bore diameter tool would not stop at the ogive, it would slide right past as the bullet itself is bore diameter. It may stop at the expansion ring at the boat tail end of the bearing surface.

Dave.
 
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I'll take a guess. The bullet diameter of the bearing surface is usually about the same as the groove diameter. Berger may be calling the diameter of the nose when it is equal to the land diameter in the bore as the ogive.
 
For instance, a 180gr Hybrid. Boat Tail is .245 and Bearing Surface is .430, but BTO is .768. What accounts for the other .093?

Berger is providing you a length from the back of the bullet to the .277 bore diameter datum on the ogive.

It is a legitimate dimension in terms of manufacturing and inspection, but it does not necessarily tell you where the bullet first intercepts the leade. More directly related to your question, it does not tell you where the bearing surface meets the ogive.

Part of your missing .093 is the axial length from the end of the bearing surface, forward to the .277 diameter on the bullet ogive. But it is not all of the missing .093. Looking closely at the diagram on the Berger page, they do not include the radiused heel in the boat tail length, so some of the missing .093 is that radius and some is the axial length between the .277 and the tangent point or junction of the bearing surface to ogive.

Where the bullet actually first "touches" the leade is between bullet diameter and bore diameter. In a 1.5 degree leade, most modern spitzer type bullets will first intercept the leade near full bullet diameter. It varies from bullet to bullet. The variance has to do with the ogive curvature in the engraving zone. I have measured the intercept diameter anywhere from .0003 under to .002x under bullet diameter and anywhere in between. (Intercept = where it is first going to just touch. Using tools like the Hornady comparator or the Sinclair method, you will easily push the bullet well past this point with even the lightest touch. They are still useful and repeatable tools, but they are giving you a measurement that is farther out than the true intercept).

Change the leade angle and the intercept diameter will change. Change the ogive curvature in the zone that will be engraved by the lands, and the intercept diameter will change. It will vary a little bit from lot to lot and certainly from one set of bullet forming dies to the next. It is not necessarily important to know the exact intercept diameter to 4 decimals. But it can help you understand the relationship of the bullet to leade.


Because the intercept diameter is larger than the bore diameter, it will be somewhat farther back on the ogive than dimensioned on Berger's chart. For example, lets say* the intercept diameter is .283 on the 180 Hybrid. The standard 7mm bore diameter is .277. We have to move backward along the ogive from .277 diameter to .283 diameter to arrive at the Base to Intercept.

*.283 was used only as an example, I don't know off the top of my head what the intercept diameter is for the 180 Hybrid, .001 under bullet diameter is as good a rule of thumb as any.
 
As @Ray Gross says, but in addition I assume your BTO measurement is from a comparator insert, Hornady or similar. As has been written in this forum many, many times, a comparator is just that, ie it produces a measurement from one setting to compare to another. It is not a gauge suitable for accurately measuring chamber or case metrics, hence your comparator reading from a bullet may well be (and often will be) different from the same thing measured on my comparator insert.
 
What ever you use to measure CBTO or Bullet base to ogive make a note of comparator or barrel stub you used.
 

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