PT&G Range rod vs Indicator rod

[Danny1788]

Instead of the rods you would be better off buying a good indicator with a 1 1/2" probe on it, and dialing it in 100% instead of relying on a bushing on the end of a rod.
You really will be further ahead of the game.....

So generally most of you guys dont even mess with rods and just use a good Dial indicator to dial in the "grooves" of the barrel. I watched a few videos on how to do this on you tube last night and it doesnt seem like it would be any harder to do it this way. Thanks for answering all my questions.

 

[ridgeway]

Instead of the rods you would be better off buying a good indicator with a 1 1/2" probe on it, and dialing it in 100% instead of relying on a bushing on the end of a rod.
You really will be further ahead of the game.....

So generally most of you guys dont even mess with rods and just use a good Dial indicator to dial in the "grooves" of the barrel. I watched a few videos on how to do this on you tube last night and it doesnt seem like it would be any harder to do it this way. Thanks for answering all my questions.

A lot do, but like I said before, opinions vary.

 

[dmoran]

Like the old saying: "there is more then one way to skin a cat".....

Over the years I've had barrels that were done in a "steady rest", some that were done through the spindle bore "rotationally", some that were done by "adjusted outward with a spider", and for the past couple years done in the "True-Bore Alignment System". I have seen excellent accuracy come from all these methods of chamber/fitting and feel all can be commended and work, and not saying one way or the other will produce more raw accuracy. I will say the TBASystem is the most practical and stress free setup I have seen to holding and dialing in a barrel. And the way my barrels will be chambered from here on, or until I see something better come along (I like innovation).

In closing, an experienced gunsmith can get the most out of "there method", no matter what it may be.....
Donovan

 

[Danny1788]

I just watched a series of videos on there of chambering, bolt truing and bedding by the same outfit. I'm baffled as to how he can charge money for his services! Unreal...

I've seen them too. Great videos on how NOT to do it.

Which Videos are you talking about so i dont get the wrong idea?

 

[Erik Cortina]

I just watched a series of videos on there of chambering, bolt truing and bedding by the same outfit. I'm baffled as to how he can charge money for his services! Unreal...

I've seen them too. Great videos on how NOT to do it.

Which Videos are you talking about so i dont get the wrong idea?

This is one of my favorites. Indicates barrel on the OD.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/b24cgeQ019Q[/youtube]

Another "good" one.
Notice how he "blueprints the action with a tap.
Also, he chambers and cuts the bolt recess with the barrel inside the chuck, then removes the barrel and extends it out to thread it using a live center to support it.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/YZ6iOosCMbI[/youtube]

There are a few other "jewels" on his channel. He uses his 3 jaw a lot when machining barrels. To each his own.

 

[swd]

Like a lot of others I use a long reach indicator off the grove. Simple and it works very very well.

 

[savagedasher]

When I stated shooting the record was 9.8''. The chamber were hand done. They work very well.
. In the last 2years about every record had ben broken. That is about the time the range rod started showing up or true Bore chambering.
Now ask your self Do I want to do it ok or is the new way better. That is your choice.
Larry

 

[liseo]

Hi

I just started to install my own barrels and to some friends. Always used range rods, but would like to try other methods.
Using long reach indicator, you indicates the center only at one point (just in the throat) or in the throat area and some point forward, to establish two points in a straight line? (similar to range rod, but the indicating is in the groove)



Hope you guys understand my question, as my english language skill is ...well, bad..... ;D

 

[Preacher]

In the throat area and further ahead indicating is your best bet..

 

[dmoran]

When I stated shooting the record was 9.8''. The chamber were hand done. They work very well.
. In the last 2years about every record had ben broken. That is about the time the range rod started showing up or true Bore chambering.
Now ask your self Do I want to do it ok or is the new way better. That is your choice.
Larry

Larry -

Take it your referring to Manatee records, and gunsmiths down in your neck of the woods.......
As to Range Rods, they have been around for +10-years (probably +20-years) .
And I've never seen or had a chamber done by hand. My 1st in 1999, and seen barrels chambered long before that, in lathes dialed into the bore. And all my barrels since were dialed into the bore, in one form or another.

Some Records info for you:
The first 1000-BR match recorded in history was in October, 1967 and a best group of 10-shots was recorded at 12.625" by Leonard Aunkst of Milton, PA.
By the end of 1968, the record stood at 8.5" and by 1970 it was down to 7.687".
By 1980 it was down to 5.039", and by 1990 it was down to 4.375".

In 1995, John Voneida of White Deer, PA set the record at 3.151". The IBS-1000 also started in 1995 and so did 5-shot LT-Gun records.

In 2002, Bill Schraeder set a NBRSA-1000 record in LT at 1.473", and Richard DeSimone set the IBS record at 1.564", that were bettered by Tom Sarver's IBS-1000 record in fallowing years, and is the current 5-shot World record at 1.397" from 2007.

Matt Kline was the first person to break under 3" from 10-shots in 2010 with a 2.815", that was recently broken by Jim Richards with a 2.687" this past March, 2014.

Not sure where the 9.8" that you refer to comes from, but glad to hear accuracy improvements on the targets and in your gunsmith's process have stepped up the last 2 years for you, and where ever it is your speaking of.

 

[liseo]

In the throat area and further ahead indicating is your best bet..

Preacher

Excuse my ignorance, but how much further? Say a 308 W caliber, how much past the throat the indicator will reach? ( never used one....)

 

[ridgeway]

In the throat area and further ahead indicating is your best bet..

Preacher

Excuse my ignorance, but how much further? Say a 308 W caliber, how much past the throat the indicator will reach? ( never used one....)

The below Interapid is the defacto standard for high quality long stem indicator. The point is 2.75" long. They also make one with a 5.5" point.

 

[savagedasher]

When I stated shooting the record was 9.8''. The chamber were hand done. They work very well.
. In the last 2years about every record had ben broken. That is about the time the range rod started showing up or true Bore chambering.
Now ask your self Do I want to do it ok or is the new way better. That is your choice.
Larry

Larry -

Take it your referring to Manatee records, and gunsmiths down in your neck of the woods.......
As to Range Rods, they have been around for +10-years (probably +20-years) .
And I've never seen or had a chamber done by hand. My 1st in 1999, and seen barrels chambered long before that, in lathes dialed into the bore. And all my barrels since were dialed into the bore, in one form or another.

Some Records info for you:
The first 1000-BR match recorded in history was in October, 1967 and a best group of 10-shots was recorded at 12.625" by Leonard Aunkst of Milton, PA. By the end of 1968, the record stood at 8.5" and by 1970 it was down to 7.687". By 1980 it was down to 5.039", and by 1990 it was down to 4.375".
In 1995, John Voneida of White Deer, PA set the record at 3.151". The IBS-1000 also started in 1995 and so did 5-shot LT-Gun records.
In 2002, Bill Schraeder set a NBRSA-1000 record in LT at 1.473", bettered by Rich Deshane and Tom Sarver's IBS-1000 records in fallowing years, and the current 5-shot record stands at 1.397" from 2007.
Matt Kline was the first person to break under 3" from 10-shots in 2010 with a 2.815", that was recently broken by Jim Williams with a 2.687" this past March, 2014.

Not sure where the 9.8" that you refer to comes from, but glad to hear accuracy improvements on the targets and in your gunsmith's process have stepped up the last 2 years for you, and where ever it is your speaking of.

You cant take what ever you want. As you always do.
I cant find where this article Where I said anything about Manatee records or the Gun Smiths in my neck of the woods..
In 1962 When I moved here we has only one Certified gun Smith. Now we have (None. It was also
Illegal to work on guns for profit without having A Gun Smith Certification. He put several barrels on for me. They all shot well.
They were chambered with a steady rest and a hand held reamer. To get their Certification the had to draw file a Octagon barrel And chamber with a brace and a reamer.
Yes I miss stated the size it was 12.625 Not every one is Perfect. Larry