PRS Guns out to 1200 yards

[Barossa_222]

Hi gang. Was wondering if any of you have shot your PRS race rigs outs to 1200 yards successfully? I''m not convinced 24-26" barrelled dashers and BRA's have the ballistics to do so, but I have no real world data.
Currently building a 6 Creedmoor on a Borden Alpine action with a 28"barrel with the hopes of hitting node around 3050-3100fps. 1000 yards seems to be achievable with the guns currently being used for PRS, but 1200 as those who have shot it know, is a different story.
I watched a shooter the other weekend with a Tac-Ops 308 and factory Federal match ammo hit nothing at 1200 after consistent hits from 600 to 1000. My 32" barrelled FTR rig shooting 200.20x pills does it easy. I know bigger cartridges will do it easier, but I want to know if the current PRS favourites will make the cut. We are having a steel event in a couple of weeks and only one PRS shooter has nominated. Was wondering it the longer ranges might have something to do with it.

 

[CharlieNC]

I shoot steel out to 1200yd around ten times a year, so take this for what it's worth. My 6.5x47 with a 22in barrel has no problem maintaining good vertical consistency, misses are due to the operator not holding proper windage. A few guys I know are switching back to 308 because hits with the "mosquito" 6mm are sometimes not seen, and calling misses in order to make adjustments nearly impossible. A lot to consider.....

 

[Redfoxcreed]

Well anything decent can reach 1200 yards.

I’ve runned for PRS a 6 SLR / 6x47L \ 6.5x47 L / 6.5 creed / 6 creed / 22 creed / 223 Rem / 6BR / 6 BRA and a 6 Dasher and all of those made it to 1450m in ELR junior ( kind like a king of 1 miles) even my 223 rem with 75 gr ELM-M and 90gr Atip

Last month We had an ELR practice match and I’ve shot a cold bore 4/5 on a 24 inch plate with my 6 Dasher at 1453 meters.

The Dasher and BRA are more than able to reach 1200 yards. It’s not a real challenge

 

[Barossa_222]

So what you are saying is all of those cartridge/bullet combinations remain accurate and stable passing through the transonic zone? You don't see any degradation with regards to accuracy? That is not what I have witnessed at 1200 with the 308 mentioned and even at 1000 yards with 223's shooting F Class at my club.

 

[Jarhead6870]

Most times it’s not whether or not the round can get there, it’s whether or not you can spot impacts and/or splash. The 6.5s usually don’t have a problem spotting rounds but the 6mms did…until they started using target lights, that changed the game for the lighter/faster calibers.

I run sane speeds in my 6 Dasher and 6.5x47 and both of them are supersonic to 1150 yards shooting Berger Hybrids and I have every confidence they can manage another 50 yards and going transonic without taking a death tumble.

Bottom line, with the right bullet most calibers will do 1200 yards.

 

[Barossa_222]

Most times it’s not whether or not the round can get there, it’s whether or not you can spot impacts and/or splash. The 6.5s usually don’t have a problem spotting rounds but the 6mms did…until they started using target lights, that changed the game for the lighter/faster calibers.

I run sane speeds in my 6 Dasher and 6.5x47 and both of them are supersonic to 1150 yards shooting Berger Hybrids and I have every confidence they can manage another 50 yards and going transonic without taking a death tumble.

Bottom line, with the right bullet most calibers will do 1200 yards.

I 100% agree with you, bullet choice plays a huge roll. I haven't been able to get much real world feedback from guys shooting these smaller cartridges, so I appreciate your input. You can crunch numbers until the cows come home, but until you get some shots down range, you won't actually know.

 

[earthquake]

My Dasher running 105 Berger hybrids at 2,960-fps makes hits no problem at 1,200 yards. I've not done it much, but at three separate venues: Thunder Valley in Ohio, Pigg River in Virginia and K&M in Tennessee. All were during competition/match conditions.

The only challenge as others have mentioned, is seeing the plate move under impact through mirage, or spotting any misses into the weeds. Target flashers do help!

 

[DaveTooley]

You can't compare a 308 to 6's and 6.5's at 1200 yds. What bullet was the 308 using?

 

[Barossa_222]

You can't compare a 308 to 6's and 6.5's at 1200 yds. What bullet was the 308 using?

Why can't you compare a 308 to a 6 or 6.5? If you look purely at the numbers they are comparable with drift and drop. My mate shooting his 6.5x284 was equaling my hits at 1200. The 308 was running Federal factory 175gr bullets and they were just falling out of the sky.

 

[DaveTooley]

Not in my world. The 308 is going slower with bullets of lower BC's.

"The 308 was running Federal factory 175gr bullets and they were just falling out of the sky."

I rest my case

 

[GaryL1959]

I think the problem that some of the 6mm shooters are having is seeing the impact, either on the steel target, or in the grass / dirt / rocks, etc. on a miss at 1000 plus yards.
The last match I shot at BangSteel, I shot a 243 Win with 107 matchkings, and had more than one "no spot" on some of the longer shots, with 2 experienced spotters watching. And I wasn't the only shooter to have that happen.
There's a world of difference in the splash from a 107 grain 6mm bullet and something like a 175 grain or heavier 30 cal, both on the steel, and in the dirt.

 

[Redfoxcreed]

So what you are saying is all of those cartridge/bullet combinations remain accurate and stable passing through the transonic zone? You don't see any degradation with regards to accuracy? That is not what I have witnessed at 1200 with the 308 mentioned and even at 1000 yards with 223's shooting F Class at my club.

Fclass is a whole different game than PRS and you asked a question for caliber selection for PRS.

1200 yards on steel ( 12 to 24 inch ) ain't rocket science. It's not like trying to group 20 shots in a half MOA target.

Bottom line is that most combination with today's high B.C bullets( even for the 308 and 223) will make it to 1200 yards . Most will be above or at 1120 ish fps at that distance.

For PRS and even other discipline other than ELR people focus too much on the ''transonic zone''...
In 2018 everyone told me I would never make it to 2071m in our ELR match with a 6 Creedmoor and 110 SMK. That was enought to make me do it and finish 3rd against all the non sayers... Funny enough we made it to 2071 meters with two impatcs on 5 and with predictable ballistic solution correction. Every single shots where predicable from 1000 to 2071 and we where transonic\subsonic since 1200 yards...

You asked for PRS... Any popular PRS calibers will make it to 1200 yards

 

[jghoghunter]

Transonic may be real but Ive shot close to 1000 rnds of 210 vld out of a short mag between a mile and two miles. Even though we never killed a prairie dog at two miles a 24"-30" dog mound was peppered like artillery. In my opinion transonic doesn't mean chit. Just my opinion and experience.

 

[Barossa_222]

Fclass is a whole different game than PRS and you asked a question for caliber selection for PRS.

1200 yards on steel ( 12 to 24 inch ) ain't rocket science. It's not like trying to group 20 shots in a half MOA target.

Bottom line is that most combination with today's high B.C bullets( even for the 308 and 223) will make it to 1200 yards . Most will be above or at 1120 ish fps at that distance.

For PRS and even other discipline other than ELR people focus too much on the ''transonic zone''...
In 2018 everyone told me I would never make it to 2071m in our ELR match with a 6 Creedmoor and 110 SMK. That was enought to make me do it and finish 3rd against all the non sayers... Funny enough we made it to 2071 meters with two impatcs on 5 and with predictable ballistic solution correction. Every single shots where predicable from 1000 to 2071 and we where transonic\subsonic since 1200 yards...

You asked for PRS... Any popular PRS calibers will make it to 1200 yards

So you are saying that the transonic zone does not play much of an affect if any? I didn't ask if the cartridges were capable, I asked if the current crop of PRS favourites in short barrelled guns could consistently make hits on steel out to 1200 yards. If you can make consistent hits with a 6 creedmoor out to 2071 meters with a 24" barrel, then you have answered my question. Thank you.

 

[Redfoxcreed]

So you are saying that the transonic zone does not play much of an affect if any? I didn't ask if the cartridges were capable, I asked if the current crop of PRS favourites in short barrelled guns could consistently make hits on steel out to 1200 yards. If you can make consistent hits with a 6 creedmoor out to 2071 meters with a 24" barrel, then you have answered my question. Thank you.

Yes little to no effect on modern bullets. Especially hard to quantify and largely fantasized by shooter.

 

[DaveTooley]

It's more about bullet design than velocity. Stable is stable at any velocity.

 

[Rob01]

I shoot my PRS Tac .308 without problem at 1200 yards. It's all about velocity and the right bullet. The 6mm Dasher/GT etc can make it too. The Creedmoor can as well. 1200 is not overly far.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I shoot my PRS Tac .308 without problem at 1200 yards. It's all about velocity and the right bullet. The 6mm Dasher/GT etc can make it too. The Creedmoor can as well. 1200 is not overly far.

I love the Hornaday 105 Amax. I know you have an in with them. Do you think you could get them to run me off a few thousand or so?

 

[Rob01]

I love the Hornaday 105 Amax. I know you have an in with them. Do you think you could get them to run me off a few thousand or so?

Have you tried the 108 ELDs? Think of it as the 105 AMAX but better.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Have you tried the 108 ELDs? Think of it as the 105 AMAX but better.

I eventually will after my 105 Amax stash is gone.