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Primer Seating Depth & Accuracy?

MikeMcCasland

Team Texas F-T/R
Hey Guys,

Very long story here, but I have an FTR rifle that went from the most accurate barrel I'd ever shot, to dropping 8s pretty routinely, and then right back to hammering; no rhyme or reason to it.

Same lot of everything used, everything sorted, 700 rounds on the barrel, barrel looks great on a borescope, the whole 9-yards. I've spent the last ~week maniacally going through everything in my process, components, and gun to try and sort this whole mess out. About the only thing left is primer seating.

The only "change" that took place during this timeframe was I started using a primal rights primer seater. Because of the mechanical leverage, you don't get as good a feel as you might on a handheld unit (especially as the primer starts to bottom out).

When changing to this primer seater, I've been seating the primers visibly deeper, but it's difficult to get a good depth reading just using calipers as a measure. The primers aren't deformed, and nothing looked out of the ordinary so I had just assumed you wouldn't be able to shoot the difference.

I'm not going to be able to test primer depth as it relates to accuracy until next weekend, but I'm curious if anyone has seen a load turn to complete s*** as a result of primer seating depth?

I searched and saw some of the big name SR BR guys who post here saying they've seen it, but 'going to shit' is a little relative...that might mean a .3" group for them. We're talking going from 197s-cleans at 1k to shooting mid-low 180s in 3-5 mph wind here. I'm mediocre on a good day, so I can accept some responsibility for poor shooting, but without question I got a gun problem here, and I'm running out of things to look at before just pulling the barrel.
 
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It can for sure cause ignition issues. I've seated primers too deep on purpose to test the difference. ES went way upto around the 30s in a 6 grendel. Correct seating depth came back to ES in low teens or better.

Doesn't show on the chronograph. SD is right around ~5 FPS.
 
Whats ES?
I left the labradar at my ranch, and didn't write down the ES, just the SD.

I would guess it's pretty low. Somewhere between 10-20 ES. Lots of shots were the same velocity or +/- 1.

If you're saying you've tested it, and it would for sure be seen on the chrono, it may not be a primer issue then.

Edit: I was only chronographing rounds today because I was blowing out ammo I had been shooting in matches, and was trying to run an OCW test from scratch using my previously established depth.
 
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I am far from an expert here but with the Primal Rights seating tool you should not need to go by feel when seating. I use the Darrell Holland modification for my RCBS bench priming tool which uses the same principle of providing an adjustable seating depth.

I uniform the primer pockets and check the depth with a dial indicator stem or caliper. Then I check the primer cup thickness, some brands/lots are more uniform than others and cup thickness can vary .002 or .003 even in the same lot. I like to set the set the depth stop to give me .001 - .002 compression from when the primer bottoms in the cup. Example my primer cup is .030 deep, Federal blue box LRP's measure .027 - .029 thick. I set the depth stop on the Holland to seat the primers .004 below the case head. Doing the math .027 to .029 + .004 = .031 to .033 or .001 to .003 preload on the anvil. Damn if I know if it makes any difference, but I can do it so I do it .
 
I went from sorting , weighing , double checking loads , uniforming primer pockets , flash hole sizing and debarring . Bottoming primers by feel or a slight crush never made a difference for me . Are you positive it's the round ? Possibly something loosened , mount , ring , base or even bi pod. You seem pretty precise on your reloading , odd for it to crap out like that from a change in seating primers.
 
I went from sorting , weighing , double checking loads , uniforming primer pockets , flash hole sizing and debarring . Bottoming primers by feel or a slight crush never made a difference for me . Are you positive it's the round ? Possibly something loosened , mount , ring , base or even bi pod. You seem pretty precise on your reloading , odd for it to crap out like that from a change in seating primers.


I've never seen anything like it, and I can't definitively say it's the primer seating depth. In fact, I suspect it's probably not it. I just don't know what else it could be.

I've gone through the gun with a fine tooth comb. Retorqued everything; nothing was loose to begin with (including the barrel :) ).

What I can't wrap my head around is it suddenly shooting, and then it immediately going back to making no sense. Today it wouldn't put up a group under 3" at 300 yards. Previously it was shooting quarter MOA. Velocities were 10 FPS slower than they used to be, but then again it was 30 deg cooler.

I'm signed up to shoot a match tomorrow, but I'm skipping that to go do more testing. I can't go another week dwelling on this.

I think I'm just going to pull the barrel and put it on an identically configured gun and see if it shoots. Could be the scope, but it's like a 4 month old NF comp (I can hear the collective gasps about comps not holding zero). My other one has been rock solid.

Actually ordered a Kahles 1050 today at the mere thought the scope might be bad.

I also loaded up 70 rounds using a new jug of powder (same lot as all my others), and hand seated primers (same lot as it's always been).

I don't handle problems with my main gun very well lol. Lots of parallel paths to a resolution. :)
 
Have you checked for possible carbon ring in barrel throat
Happened to me few seasons ago barrel went from hammering with vertical holding v in height to barely holding 5 ring
Scrubbed out throat with JB and 20 shots latter barrel back hammering.
 

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