Pricing to chamber barrel and install

[jackieschmidt]

Don't take what I said in a negative way. I'm just saying I don't expect, even an experienced machinist, to talk the same language and requirements we have as shooters. I'm not saying they can't do it, or that they can't learn, or that being a machinist is a red flag.

I'm saying I wouldn't take my barrel and reamer to a machine shop and expect something as good or better than if I took it to a shooter who can run a lathe.

The guy that builds my Rifles and chambers my barrels is a very experienced Machinist and a pretty good shooter.

 

[Tim Singleton]

A lot of us want the full BR experience
Not just winning at their chosen discipline
But winning with a rifle they bedded and glued the action with a pinfall they adjusted themselves and a barrel they chambered for themselves. Won with bullets they made themselves

 

[Eudean]

Hmmmm. Should there be an Angie's List for gunsmith and machinists?

 

[LVLAaron]

A lot of us want the full BR experience
Not just winning at their chosen discipline
But winning with a rifle they bedded and glued the action with a pinfall they adjusted themselves and a barrel they chambered for themselves. Won with bullets they made themselves

It only counts if you mine the ore and hand carve your stock.

 

[Tim Singleton]

It only counts if you mine the ore and hand carve your stock.

Not in my world
Lol

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Not saying he's too high on his atr rifles but I can have two of these or similar for the price of one of his and I'd lay some money on the table betting which one shoots best too.

 

[DonkeyHote]

And make your actions, like a machinist could.....

 

[ACard]

Thank God for ignorance then.
I educated myself enough to know that I don’t need to handle the gun or see it in person to determine its value to me. We frequently have guns here in the classifieds that get no play because the price point is above what people think it’s worth. If you think it priced right then power to you. Have at it. I may think you are nuts, but it’s not

I can not even imagine purchasing something as intimate as a precision rifle based on pictures alone... or a carry handgun I have not handled...or a fishing rod I have never cast... or a pair of boots or shoes I have not tried on...or a car or truck I have not driven... or lets get really crazy marry a woman I have never met...

Most things have an intrinsic value. That value is determined by what the people who are buying them are willing to pay... for that item... point is just because you lack the ability or edification to appreciate what the value of an ATR is does not mean it is not worth that value. It just means you dont value it, not that it is not WORTH said value. It has been my experience that this is usually exhibited when one wants something and for whatever reason, cannot afford it, or justify the price etc... They then villiainize the item to feel better about not being able to purchase it, for what ever reason.

 

[ACard]

Not saying he's too high on his atr rifles but I can have two of these or similar for the price of one of his and I'd lay some money on the table betting which one shoots best too.

Different rifles for different disciplines. I would like to see how any of those hold up in a service rifle match. You cannot compare apples and tenderloin steaks

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I can not even imagine purchasing something as intimate as a precision rifle based on pictures alone... or a carry handgun I have not handled...or a fishing rod I have never cast... or a pair of boots or shoes I have not tried on...or a car or truck I have not driven... or lets get really crazy marry a woman I have never met...

Most things have an intrinsic value. That value is determined by what the people who are buying them are willing to pay... for that item... point is just because you lack the ability or edification to appreciate what the value of an ATR is does not mean it is not worth that value. It just means you dont value it, not that it is not WORTH said value. It has been my experience that this is usually exhibited when one wants something and for whatever reason, cannot afford it, or justify the price etc... They then villiainize the item to feel better about not being able to purchase it, for what ever reason.

Well, two sides to that. Yes, ANY item's value is what someone is willing to pay for it...period. It really IS that simple. That said, lets use the $1200 atr bbl for example. Most premium bbl blanks are now in the $400 range. Judging by this thread, lots of smiths are charging upward of $400 to chamber said bbl. So that leaves us with a $400 bbl extension. Like I said in a previous post, I may or may not be able to produce a one off bbl extension just like it for $400. Without seeing and measuring..I couldn't say. But I'm willing to bet that if I made 100 of them, they'd be way under $400 each. So, yes, there is value in that. And, there's value in someone wanting a specific rifle, for a specific reason...doesn't really matter why. So, I won't say his product is too high. I determine what I am willing to pay for something. The seller sets his price, for better or worse. I decide if it's worth it to ME or not.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Different rifles for different disciplines. I would like to see how any of those hold up in a service rifle match. You cannot compare apples and tenderloin steaks

True but ultimately supply and demand comes into play with everything. I do not demand service rifle performance from my toys. I demand accuracy. Nothing else matters if it falls within the rules.

 

[ACard]

True but ultimately supply and demand comes into play with everything. I do not demand service rifle performance from my toys. I demand accuracy. Nothing else matters if it falls within the rules.

I think more to the point, what people choose to pursue drives the supply and demand curve. I gave up big game hunting, as such I no longer need lightweight hunting rigs, but.... that is not the same as if I said that hunting rigs were not worth X dollars...

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I think more to the point, what people choose to pursue drives the supply and demand curve. I gave up big game hunting, as such I no longer need lightweight hunting rigs, but.... that is not the same as if I said that hunting rigs were not worth X dollars...

Same as I'm saying. The maker decides the asking price. I decide the buying price. Supply and demand affect both.

 

[ACard]

Well, two sides to that. Yes, ANY item's value is what someone is willing to pay for it...period. It really IS that simple. That said, lets use the $1200 atr bbl for example. Most premium bbl blanks are now in the $400 range. Judging by this thread, lots of smiths are charging upward of $400 to chamber said bbl. So that leaves us with a $400 bbl extension. Like I said in a previous post, I may or may not be able to produce a one off bbl extension just like it for $400. Without seeing and measuring..I couldn't say. But I'm willing to bet that if I made 100 of them, they'd be way under $400 each. So, yes, there is value in that. And, there's value in someone wanting a specific rifle, for a specific reason...doesn't really matter why. So, I won't say his product is too high. I determine what I am willing to pay for something. The seller sets his price, for better or worse. I decide if it's worth it to ME or not.

Same as I'm saying. The maker decides the asking price. I decide the buying price. Supply and demand affect both.

Yes obviously we are on same page, lol. My point and not directed to you by any means is that none of this defines "worth" in the big scheme

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Yes obviously we are on same page, lol. My point and not directed to you by any means is that none of this defines "worth" in the big scheme

Worth and value are not the same. Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay, but if I can do the same for less, it's not a good value.

 

[ACard]

Worth and value are not the same. Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay, but if I can do the same for less, it's not a good value

Symantecs and perspective. It is like an all or nothing statement.

What is of value to you, may have absolutely no value to me. Though, given this forum I am betting it would, lol.

 

[urbanrifleman]

If only this were a benchrest forum.

But it's not.

 

[shortgrass]

And make your actions, like a machinist could.....

and drill, ream, rifle and lap the barrel, profile it before chambering... Buying a barrel blank, made by some else would be cheatin'

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

If only this were a benchrest forum.

But it's not.

Lol! You might know this but actually this site changed its name a few years ago to Accurate Shooter forums, from 6mmBR.com. BR, as in Bench Rest! Semantics but true. It has gone through a lot of changes over the last few years. The biggest imo, was when Snipers Hide went down for several months(iirc) and a lot of their members migrated over here. Not saying it's good or bad but it is quite different than before that happened, fwiw. So yes, it was very benchrest geared prior to that site going down for an extended time. No need in arguing over it, but now you know, in case you didn't. Sounds like you didn't and that's ok.

Not sure how your post is relevant, though. Sounds like a dig maybe, but why is what I don't know. You don't like BR so you bad mouth it, apparently. That's part of the changes to this site also, looks like. You are one of the new guys and you have been welcomed by members here both old and new. So, I guess I don't understand.

 

[ctrickett]

I am lucky, I have a friend who does my barrels....he is great. Works out of his house, so low overhead. When I seen the set ups involved to chambering a barrel I was shocked. I think anyone getting a barrel done for under $400 is getting a super deal (assuming your guy isnt doing it with a Dremel)
A lot of people need to grip on what a decent wage is, in most parts $20/hr is not what an experienced person makes