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Precision Shooters Incapable Of Precise Language?

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Hogan, I was not going to give you the satisfaction of a reply but since it hasn't been pulled yet I will give you my input.

First, why must you be so critical and negative?
Second, you either mispelled or mis read."Berger" had the article below German's not "Barnes".
Third, I think we can all learn from everyone...even if we dont agree or use the same terms or grammar.
And lastly, if you can not be supportive of this site and the people you why dont you leave and go somewhere else.

Flintlock
 
Things bother me being certain words however hedditch is right.Lets just forget the nonsense and get back to helping each other and having a good day.
 
Hot dang a mighty! I was headed to the Bears Den to 'make some ammo' but now I don't know whether I need to reload or handload??

Hellsfire...me Irish humor says I just might need to drink some scotch and mull this over a spell!!

Jus color me 'kornfused & diminished'!! :-\ :-[
 
Boys, Boyz, Buoys....


Boyd, It may have been an old article in Precision Shooting or Tactical Shooter on Handloading For The M-1A, but there was discussion that the bolt design of the Garand action did not enable Best Results when shooting reloaded ammunition. Maybe it was in Randolph Constantine's book?


The fact that enough guys here are not willing to contemplate how language defines what we are capable to contemplate is no surprise. Would you buy a barrel from a barrelmaker who couldn't provide or assure dimensions of groove & lands? I almost wrote bore & lands, but not all barrel grooves are bored are they? Hammer forging is not boring; although this topic may be...

If the debate was on characteristics of boattail bullets versus flat or concave base bullets, would there be so much ire?

As far as Lee Loaders versus Wilson... Does the loading die make that much difference if chamber is not of dimension to be optimized by the standard die pattern? Many in the Benchrest world have high esteem for the Lee Competition Lee Loader, or whatever their high precision hand-loader kit was called; now long out of production... Does Boyd send his fired brass to LE Wilson or other custom diemakers, or buy off-the-shelf production items?

I don't understand the readiness of so many here to take offense.

Ten years ago, I'd hazard a guess that most guys who are now avid longrange seekers of rifle precision had just heard about what was possible to achieve. Yet, the same community now touts all the "precision" aspects of shooting down to turning bullet noses to uniformity and paying $900 for a oscopy type barrel inspection device; and d'ya got an automated annealing machine, or a stainless media tumbler? All are a must dontchaknow...

Well, I don't know.

What I do know is the idiots that buy this kind of gear all day long don't know how to use correct nomenclature or defining language, but slang is so useful to precision; ain't it???

It might just stimulate much positive results to be mindful of all the parameters relative to precision. English is about the most versatile language or specificity. there being terminology for all defining aspects of a discipline.



I have not insulted anyone here. No reason I can fathom for so many to take offense, unless you think I'm judging you to be a dweeb. By their comments you will know them: I guess...

Many including myself, use once-fired brass for handloading. Mostly military in my instance because too many of the shooting fraternity will sell you 1x brass (esp good ol Lapua) that has had the life shot out of it, but cleaned up so pretty you don't know until you get around to seating primers... Lake City or WCC though you know because of the crimped primer... Well, to shoot that stuff in a preciion chamber, don'tcha basically remanufacture it? I know I do... FL or SB size, trim, flash & primer work, 30deg chamfer. It ain't "reloading" at all. Not the first go round anyway...


I find it really pathetic that so few other shooters are even mindful of the effect acceptance of sloppy and imprecise language has on their communication abilities and their sport.
 
Many including myself, use once-fired brass for handloading.

Am I missing something here? If the OP (Hogan) is using "once-fired brass", he is, by definition, reloading the brass.

I can (sort-of) understand that one might want to define the placement of powder and bullet in virgin brass as "loading" as opposed to "reloading". However, I still venture that "reloading" is THE most useful and accurate term to describe how we create ammunition. Why? Very few members of this board would ever just load a cartridge case once then toss it. There is much more "reloading" going on than "loading" if "loading" is strictly defined as making ammo from virgin brass.

As to the term "handloading" -- I don't see how that term is any more illuminating or precise than "loading" or "reloading". In fact, you could argue that "Reloading" is a better term to use because that would include rounds loaded on a progressive press with a case-feeder and bullet feeder -- a process where cartridge components are not touched by human HANDs until the cartridges have been processed into completed ammunition.

To be honest, I'm really not sure what the OP's gripe really is... but maybe I'm dense.

"Reloading" is the most commonly used and accepted term.
I offer the following titles of popular books on the subject:

Berger Bullets Reloading Manual
Hornady Reloading Handbook
Lyman Reloading Handbook
Precision Shooting Reloading Guide
Metallic Cartridge Reloading
The ABCs of Reloading
Sierra Bullets Reloading Manual
Sierra Handgun Reloading Manual
Lee Precision Modern Reloading
Nosler Reloading Guide
Speer Reloading Manual
Reloading for Handgunners
Reloading for Shotgunners
AR-15 Ammunition Reloading
Reloading Guide for Pistols
Complete Reloading Guide
Barnes Bullets Reloading Manual
Gun Digest Book of Handgun Reloading

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Glen Zediker did, by contrast, title his book "Handloading for Competition". But if you look at the sheer weight of numbers, "Reloading" NOT "handloading" is by far the preferred term for what we do when we assemble brass, bullets, powder and primers into live ammunition.
 
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