PPC
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No offense intended but that's the very logic that holds us back. It assumes something is best because that's what virtually everyone there was using. A PPC has been king of the hill for nearly 50 years. Am I to believe that's because 50 year old technology is still the best today or that more people should test more things?Kind of an understatement, don't you think?
From last year's Super Shoot equipment list:
Yes, I'm aware that a very small percentage of people test with other things. Yes, a very tiny percentage! How many hours of shooting and testing a ppc are represented on that page alone and how many with something else, in the last year,two or even ten years?
I'm not saying a ppc isn't great...it is! But it's 50 year old technology. What does that say about us? Head to head, with a good mix of different things, is what matters most.
I hear what you are saying, and I agree, but what is better? 6 br is almost 50 also, 22PPC same case, 30 BR necked up 50 year old case. I think if the Waldog had half the people shooting it, it would best the 6PPC. But its still a PPC. There is a guy that posts here that is shooting a 30/30 in benchrest, no wrong direction. What new modern case is even worth consideration????
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
If there was something better it would be on that list. Wish there was but when it comes to agging its the only choice if you want your name on that list
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Theres 10-15 names on that exact list that i know for a fact have other calibers chambered and ready to shoot and a couple of them even shoot in tunnels to find the best
R.Morehouse
Gold $$ Contributor
6 Grendel ??................I shoot the ppc....
Regards
Rick
Regards
Rick
Mulligan
Silver $$ Contributor
Didn't a Grinch already "show up and win"?
CW
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/6mm-grinch-defeats-entire-field-of-6ppcs.3912901/
CW
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/6mm-grinch-defeats-entire-field-of-6ppcs.3912901/
It's happened more than once.
Also, how many ppc's does something else have to beat to matter. In my very first registered group match, I think I was 7th...That was last year's SE Regionals. Granted, Dusty was hunting or something that weekend, so I didn't beat him but I did invite him.
Granted, it was not a trigger pulling contest, so what can be taken from that match, either way? In the interest of full disclosure, I did have small group in LV 200 with a borrowed ppc. I shot my 6 Grendel in HV and couldn't discern any difference in aggs between it and the ppc that was loaned to me. If anything, I did a little better with the 6 Grendel.
It's happened more than once.
Also, how many ppc's does something else have to beat to matter. In my very first registered group match, I think I was 7th...That was last year's SE Regionals. Granted, Dusty was hunting or something that weekend, so I didn't beat him but I did invite him.
I shot my 6 Grendel in HV and couldn't discern any difference in aggs between it and the ppc that was loaned to me. If anything, I did a little better with the 6 Grendel.
Mike,
If You are going to discern a difference you should probably borrow a better shooting 6PPC. If you’re going to try and change the world’s mind that something out there like the 6 Grendel is better it’s going to have to shoot better to. Here’s the results from the Regionals with your place and agg and what the winning PPC AGG was. The match had 22 shooters for both Grand Aggs!
But keep beating the drum of change!
Place Agg Winning Agg
LV 100 14 2802 1888
LV 200 11 3325 2421
G Agg 12 3064 2261
HV100 10 2796 2230
HV 200 9 3020 2681
G Agg 7 2908 2533
Bart
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I changed the world a bit years ago pioneering the 30BR to IBS Score dominance over the PPC, but the PPC is still the cartridge to beat in group shooting. I shot a pretty good agg with the 30BR at Rachel's Glen once, a .20** for 2nd, but was still bested by a hot shooting PPC that shot a .18** agg. There was a fellow that had a good day against the PPC in Texas a few years ago, I think he was shooting a 30 Major or similar and set the current 100 yard World Record. So it can be done but not often it seems. It takes a lot of time and money to create the next great thing no matter what it is, and with the aggs being shot with the PPC these days it would be very tough to create a consistently better round for group shooting.
Ohhhh, Hi Bart!
Wellllll, for starters...YOU werern't there either! And that poor loaner won small group at LV200. I can only imagine if it were a better gun, in the conditions we had(It wouldn't have mattered). IIRC, I tried a different LV rifle at 100 and it wasn't up to snuff...no fault of the gun or the nice man who loaned it to me. I very much appreciate his consideration and his work. The gun may've been a record holder, so....
Bottom line is, what I said, it is. Nothing else matters. Wouldn't you agree?
I was hoping you'd be there, too.....I'm sure you'd've won, with so few shooters there.
I came to a group match that was in your area, that I thought you'd be at.
Have you shown up to a UBR match yet?
That's what I thought, Bart!
Not that you wouldn't beat us all like rented mules...but until you do...just stop it, please.
Hello Joe! I don't disagree at all...
Tell you what Mike! I’ll make it a UBR YEAR just for you! You and I will have a standing wager of 500.00 a match. Should be a no brainer for you since you’re a National Champion and all! You shoot your highly touted Mike Ezell 6 Grendel and I’ll shoot my 50 year old technology 6PPC.
Easy money for you!
Bart
Lol! I'm glad I got you interested but I'm not stupid enough to bet against a hof'er!
Just show up and shoot! We don't have to bet anything.
How many years have you told me you were gonna come to some UBR matches? Why would I make that bet? If a ppc and you are as great as the records say....I'd be crazy.
Then again, I did drive a few hundred miles to shoot a match that I was "certain" you'd be at. That was my mistake.
I take that back...It was not a mistake because I met some great folks and had a good time.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Id like to make a few ubr matches sometime. Bad time in life right now- not as bad as last summer though
halfmoanut
Silver $$ Contributor
Wow Bart sounds like you ruffled some feathers. The truth does that at times. Since you were asked to stop, being the gentleman you are I know you will heed. I'm kind of glad because your accolades as a true rifleman in many shooting circles are very rare to say the least. I'm only hoping that a few good PPC's show up at the Tack Driver Showdown or the winner who is not shooting one will be king for the day, however I'd rather be the king of 50yrs. Just saying!
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