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PPC BR BOLT

Oldeadeye

I am shopping for my first rifle. I was looking for something used. While looking around I’ve seen different references to bolt faces. When someone advertises ppc/br bolt face does that mean it can handle both the 6ppc and 6br cases?
Thanks, Jim.
 
Correct Jim, these bolts are set up so that the extractor can grab both the larger diameter BR case as well as the smaller diameter PPC case.
 
Jim,

There are older actions out there that are set up to work with both the PPC and BR case, but do not reliably extract one or the other cases. Usually, you smith or the action maker can remedy this issue.

Josh
 
WayneShaw said:
Then why did you make an incorrect statement?
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Wayne, my comment to you was out of line, and I apologize. PM to follow.

Jim,

To try and be more precise to answer your question, whether or not the bolt can handle both a PPC case and a BR case will depend on the specific action, how old it is, and what type of extractor it uses.

For example, an action with a 308 bolt face that uses a Sako extractor will most likely handle both the BR and PPC cases.

However, if it uses a sliding plate style extractor, you may have to have you gunsmith install a different sized extractor (this is where date of manufacture can play a role).

Your best bet would be to let your smith know what action the rifle you are looking at is built on, the year that action was made, and then your smith can advise you on whether or not he thinks that particular action will be able to extract both size cases or what may need to be changed.

To that effect, Waynes comment of "sometimes" was appropriate and I apologize for my rash response once again.

Josh
 
josh shrum said:
Wayne, my comment to you was out of line, and I apologize. PM to follow.

Jim,

To try and be more precise to answer your question, whether or not the bolt can handle both a PPC case and a BR case will depend on the specific action, how old it is, and what type of extractor it uses.

For example, an action with a 308 bolt face that uses a Sako extractor will most likely handle both the BR and PPC cases.

However, if it uses a sliding plate style extractor, you may have to have you gunsmith install a different sized extractor (this is where date of manufacture can play a role).

Your best bet would be to let your smith know what action the rifle you are looking at is built on, the year that action was made, and then your smith can advise you on whether or not he thinks that particular action will be able to extract both size cases or what may need to be changed.

To that effect, Waynes comment of "sometimes" was appropriate and I apologize for my rash response once again.

Josh
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josh shrum said:
Wayne, my comment to you was out of line, and I apologize. PM to follow.

Jim,

To try and be more precise to answer your question, whether or not the bolt can handle both a PPC case and a BR case will depend on the specific action, how old it is, and what type of extractor it uses.

For example, an action with a 308 bolt face that uses a Sako extractor will most likely handle both the BR and PPC cases.

However, if it uses a sliding plate style extractor, you may have to have you gunsmith install a different sized extractor (this is where date of manufacture can play a role).

Your best bet would be to let your smith know what action the rifle you are looking at is built on, the year that action was made, and then your smith can advise you on whether or not he thinks that particular action will be able to extract both size cases or what may need to be changed.

To that effect, Waynes comment of "sometimes" was appropriate and I apologize for my rash response once again.

josh shrum said:
Wayne, my comment to you was out of line, and I apologize. PM to follow.

Jim,

To try and be more precise to answer your question, whether or not the bolt can handle both a PPC case and a BR case will depend on the specific action, how old it is, and what type of extractor it uses.

For example, an action with a 308 bolt face that uses a Sako extractor will most likely handle both the BR and PPC cases.

However, if it uses a sliding plate style extractor, you may have to have you gunsmith install a different sized extractor (this is where date of manufacture can play a role).

Your best bet would be to let your smith know what action the rifle you are looking at is built on, the year that action was made, and then your smith can advise you on whether or not he thinks that particular action will be able to extract both size cases or what may need to be changed.

To that effect, Waynes comment of "sometimes" was appropriate and I apologize for my rash response once again.

Josh
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Thanks everyone. That clears things up.
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I had a variant of the pathological case mentioned above in my first real BR rifle.

It was a Kelbly Grizzly II that I got used. It had a dedicated PPC bolt face.

I decided that I wanted to shoot a 30 for IBS score. I contacted Kelbly’s about it. They said that they would guarantee that it would pull the case but not that it would extract.

I don’t have a lathe and so didn’t want to rebate rims. This ended up starting a long love affair with Mike’s 30 Major cartridge which has a PPC rim.

Later, when I figured out that I was having some bolt issues and needed a new one, Kelbly’s fixed me up with a PPC/BR bolt.

I ended up selling that rifle even though it was still my best shooting rifle. I hope that it is shooting great for Melvin because it was a laser for me.
 
josh shrum said:
Wayne, my comment to you was out of line, and I apologize. PM to follow.

Jim,

To try and be more precise to answer your question, whether or not the bolt can handle both a PPC case and a BR case will depend on the specific action, how old it is, and what type of extractor it uses.

For example, an action with a 308 bolt face that uses a Sako extractor will most likely handle both the BR and PPC cases.

However, if it uses a sliding plate style extractor, you may have to have you gunsmith install a different sized extractor (this is where date of manufacture can play a role).

Your best bet would be to let your smith know what action the rifle you are looking at is built on, the year that action was made, and then your smith can advise you on whether or not he thinks that particular action will be able to extract both size cases or what may need to be changed.

To that effect, Waynes comment of "sometimes" was appropriate and I apologize for my rash response once again.

Josh
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Good post!
 
Oldeadeye said:
I am shopping for my first rifle. I was looking for something used. While looking around I’ve seen different references to bolt faces. When someone advertises ppc/br bolt face does that mean it can handle both the 6ppc and 6br cases?
Thanks, Jim.
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What are u going to use the rifle for?

Bench rest is the only area where a dual bolt face would be a requirement.
 
My plan is to shoot bench rest. If I didn’t like the ppc I was going to try something else. I thought if I had a combination bolt I could switch barrels.
 
Most of the benchrest rifles will do ppc and br. They also have smaller dia firing pins (needed) and no ejector(needed).
An easy way to get what you need in a benchrest rifle is go to the Benchrest Classified and pick a used or new gun that you like.
The site has good buyers and sellers. Stuff is what they say it is.
You cant go wrong with PPC or BR. 6mm rules the range out to 600 yds.
You can pick used dies from this site. Start with Redding neck sizing,seating,and bump die.
Get no turn neck chamber first. Later get into custom chamber.
 
Eddie Harren said:
"They said that they would guarantee that it would pull the case but not that it would extract."

Please explain the difference between, "pull the case" and "extract".
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In reading post above on advice GSPV got from Kelbly's, GSPV was told case would extract but we could not guarantee that it would EJECT the case. There is no difference from pulling case and extracting case they are the same. And this is on the Remington style ejector. If using our TG ejector, it is possible to extract and eject both PPC and BR cases. BUT there is no guarantee it will EJECT PPC 100% of the time.

It is almost weekly customers call and use eject for extract or extract for eject when speaking of their actions. Very common mistake.

Happy New Year to All

Jim
 
"It is almost weekly customers call and use eject for extract or extract for eject when speaking of their actions. Very common mistake."

I get it all the time also. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed some ground breaking new info.
 
Hey this is valuable information..i have a kelbly 6br rifle and have wondered if it would run the 22ppc
A new barrel is one thing but another bolt thats will add up fast. I suppose the least costly is to pick up a box of brass and find out for myself.
I absolutely love my kelbly rifle..its so pretty im afraid to use the thing..they sure did a nice job and im a nobody..
Imagine what they can do for a competition shooter. Woo-wee!
 
Oldeadeye said:
I am shopping for my first rifle. I was looking for something used. While looking around I’ve seen different references to bolt faces. When someone advertises ppc/br bolt face does that mean it can handle both the 6ppc and 6br cases?
Thanks, Jim.
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Yes.
 
Just one other minor point.

My first Bat Neuvo was a right bolt left port that has the BR/PPC bolt face.
It would extract BR cases fine, but with about every other PPC case, the extraction would fail. This action was in the very first batch that Bullet Central sold.

After a little measuring, I found the Lapua 220 Russian cases had a slightly thicker rim than the Lapua 6BR cases. The extractor simply was not far enough away from the bolt face.

I contacted Bullet Central about this, but finally decided to set the Sako Extractor up in out tool grinder and face a couple of thousandths from the inside of the hook that catches over the rim.

Problem solved.

I am not sure if they corrected this in subsequent Neuvo Actions with the BR/PPC bolt face, as my next ones were PPC only Drop Port.
 
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