Pair firing in the USA

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

Wow way to overthink it Denys. This would be a fun match at the local level. If people want to travel to the event then they know what they are getting into. We have a very large group of shooters at Ben Avery that shoot multiple times a week, and several of them have electric targets. The group at Ben Avery is a great group and we are always engaged in fun shenanigans. This would be just another event where there would be alot of friendly back and forth banter among the shooters and the electric targets add a spectator sense. Additionally you would have a double elimination bracket so everyone would know they at least get two tries. This match would take place during our regularly scheduled practices so shooters would still have the ability to practice off to the side.

As for the "bad relay" complaint, there wouldn't be one. You are only shooting against one person, and that is who you are pair firing with.

Shooting is supposed to be fun. That is why we do it, because you are not going to make any money at it. Over analysis of things really drags the fun level down. Besides if it is not fun we just wont do it again, but that probably wont happen because many of the shooters at Ben Avery already pair fire for fun against each other.

 

[Ian]

There are many reasons why this format would not be popular.

 

[Jdne5b]

Add in some pink slip wagers, some big screens, bleachers and a camera crew... I think it would be at least Shooting USA worthy.

 

[jkl]

I am with Matt. It hasn't rained in over 100 days but you can get out the hip boots to wade through the droppings. The pits get rough at times but the firing line behind electronic targets can be just as lively on a poorly placed shot.

I agree with Matt if it isn't fun we won't do it twice.

John

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Wow way to overthink it Denys. This would be a fun match at the local level. If people want to travel to the event then they know what they are getting into. We have a very large group of shooters at Ben Avery that shoot multiple times a week, and several of them have electric targets. The group at Ben Avery is a great group and we are always engaged in fun shenanigans. This would be just another event where there would be alot of friendly back and forth banter among the shooters and the electric targets add a spectator sense. Additionally you would have a double elimination bracket so everyone would know they at least get two tries. This match would take place during our regularly scheduled practices so shooters would still have the ability to practice off to the side.

As for the "bad relay" complaint, there wouldn't be one. You are only shooting against one person, and that is who you are pair firing with.

Shooting is supposed to be fun. That is why we do it, because you are not going to make any money at it. Over analysis of things really drags the fun level down. Besides if it is not fun we just wont do it again, but that probably wont happen because many of the shooters at Ben Avery already pair fire for fun against each other.

I'm always happy to play devil's advocate WRT "ideas."

I'm hoping you understood what I meant at the beginning of the last paragraph of my diatribe. I'll reproduce it here so you don't have to go back and look it up:

If you want to do that at local club levels, have at it; I prefer the way we have it now.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Let's also remember this is long range precision shooting, it's not "Dancing With The Stars."

 

[Immike]

Gentlemen, fixed agenda format has a long history of being a timeline in history. Nobody or nothing will change Fclass from what it is, but some new games may make it last longer. It can be as simple as 2 man teams, relay payouts (cash, prizes, meat..) or anything you can think of... Fclass rattle battle? I just read that Atterbury is trying across the course with Fclass.

BTW, I sent Denys a pm that I wanted him involved as well as all of you...

 

[243Mendoza]

Another variation of Matt's idea:
pair off shooters of the same classification.
winner of the pair shoots the next match with the winner of another pair
loser of the pair shoots the next match against the loser of another pair
Keep doing this for a set number of shoots and count the total number of wins of each shooter to determine the winner within a classification.

 

[Acyr]

Wow way to overthink it Denys. This would be a fun match at the local level. If people want to travel to the event then they know what they are getting into. We have a very large group of shooters at Ben Avery that shoot multiple times a week, and several of them have electric targets. The group at Ben Avery is a great group and we are always engaged in fun shenanigans. This would be just another event where there would be alot of friendly back and forth banter among the shooters and the electric targets add a spectator sense. Additionally you would have a double elimination bracket so everyone would know they at least get two tries. This match would take place during our regularly scheduled practices so shooters would still have the ability to practice off to the side.

As for the "bad relay" complaint, there wouldn't be one. You are only shooting against one person, and that is who you are pair firing with.

Shooting is supposed to be fun. That is why we do it, because you are not going to make any money at it. Over analysis of things really drags the fun level down. Besides if it is not fun we just wont do it again, but that probably wont happen because many of the shooters at Ben Avery already pair fire for fun against each other.

Matt count me in!
Adding pair firing and a little shenanigans sounds like a great way to make practicing a lot more interesting.

 

[Bob Sebold]

That sounds like fun to me! It should be a one day match, I will probably be one of the first ones out but you put this on e targets, have a big screen TV in the back and a beer tent! Now that would be something to run on TV shows. Think of the sponsor money rolling in for that. I think it could make ESPN. Even Vegas might watch that show. I shot a lot of string fire in Canada the last 2 years. It was VERY different than what I was used too. It was also fun & I did OK. I think more practice down here would be a good thing for the next time, in South Africa.

 

[Jetjock1]

Here is something I have done to create more excitement. Run your regular matches. Overlay those matches with an elimination bracket to run concurrently with your regular matches. Let's say you have 20 shooters After the first match of the day eliminate 10, after the second match eliminate 5. AT the end of the day you have a shootoff of those remaining five and determine the winner of the elimination bracket. You then have a winner for the day in your regular matches and a winner for your elimination bracket. In effect the elimination bracket becomes a paper match thing but the shootoff at the end of the day can become a spectacular event where those not shooting bring their scopes and are encouraged to shout an hollar for their favorite. I have used it to fill waiting time for the BBQ to start after shooting ceases for the day.

Jetjock`

 

[MattPeetz]

I've been wanting to start a match at Ben Avery that would include pair firing.

Basically the match would be shot at 1000 yards and with a Round Robin format. All participants would be put into a bracket (like March Madness) and you would only be shooting against your partner. The winner would move on in the bracket. This would work great with electronic targets because those not shooting can watch the targets on their tablet. You could do double or single elimination and dwindle it down to a final champion. One thing nice is you could have some payouts since no stat office is needed.

Just a thought that has been floating around in my head.

Matthew

I would like to chat with you at Bergers about an idea i have had. Kind of along this same line.

 

[ngb1787]

Fullbore, pair firing at Ben Avery today. Extremely enjoyable and fun! First time this has happened at Ben Avery in years. More to come, thanks to all who came out and participated!
Nick

 

[MarkTrew]

Is it different than how we normally shoot? Yes, for the matches I attend.

The amount of competitors preparing to shoot in another nation is only a fraction of the population. I understand your position, just don't relate.

First, Steve, thank you for clarifying my comment. I intended to state / imply that our sling teams have not led the pack. I had not intended to slight the F’ers.

Now, to the quote above. I agree that the number of shooters with a desire to travel abroad to compete is small, I suggest we Americans should start to “relate”, using your term. My conversations with many competitors show many will enjoy shooting the way the rest of the world shoots, but we haven’t been exposed to it, consistently. We don’t do it but a couple times a year, using John’s statement regarding Bridgeville.

Finally, if we would shoot as the rest of the long range community ( international ) does, maybe, just maybe, a few more shooters might take the big step to try to complete on a bigger scale? A thought and hope? Shooting 2-3 to the mound does teach you to read the wind and not “chase the spotter”. Hopefully, we all want to be better shooters?

MarkTrew

 

[ngb1787]

Jan 12, 2018 Fullbore Match, Pair Firing at Ben Avery. Be in pits no later than 8:30am, 300,500,600,900yds.

 

[Immike]

I would like to throw a match idea out here since we're all here for ideas. It's old and a crowd pleaser... A Meat Match, -basically a buy in each relay to win quality meat for dinner. Can be used as an entire match or evening activities. 5 to 10 shot relays would keep it flexible. I've run dozens or more in archery and muzzle loading so I know that it's as fun as it gets. 3 wins and your out is a good way...
BTW, wives love it when you win and send you back for more..

 

[XTR]

I'd probably rather just show up and eat frogs

 

[Hengehold]

I would like to start a conversation about this.. I talked to a few people that count at the Canada worlds about our lack of familiarizing with this way. Several good suggestions of incorporating it in our matches. My best idea would be to have 2 man team matches at regionals and State events. I would like to hear match directors suggestions.

As a former match director, I would say that it would make great sense to pair fire on certain ranges. Four instance, one of the matches I held on a military base was not allowed to drive vehicles to the pits for pit changes at 1000 yards. So pair firing on that range for that match Makes great Logistical sense.

If the firing points are too narrow or something like that then you could only have active targets every 2 firing points. I found it best to introduce things like this to our group of shooters in small amounts. Maybe one or two pair fire matches per year. Too much change too fast seemed to be met with poor attitudes in my neck of the woods.

I love pair shooting. Very tough to shoot great scores that way but definitely increases the level of difficulty for the wind. A lot of US shooters just rely on spotter chasing and never really become proficient at reading the conditions as a result.

-Trevor

 

[ngb1787]

Fullbore, Pair Fire, Ben Avery, Phoenix, 300, 500, 600, 900. Friday Jan 12, be in pits no later than 8;30a.m..