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Our rifles are fantasy toys for big boys?

My father, may he rest in piece with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other, just as he lived, did not grow up a sport hunter. Being born in 1917 the eldest son who could put meat on the table, he hunted and trapped as a means of helping to feed a family with 14 head of kids!!

Today, very few of us hunt to eat. Many of us can't wait for hunting season to roll around, so we can again get into the woods and hunt our game of choice. We are forced to live much of our lives during long months when no hunting seasons are open and we become haunters of the firing ranges and readers of the periodical gun magazines.

I can't even begin to name all the "new and improved" cartridges introduced by firearms manufacturers over the last 50 years or so. Too many, in my opinion. However, why do they continue to arrive as the new firearms offerings at the big box stores?

In part, I believe we see new cartridges hit the marketplace because we humans crave new and better things to buy and enjoy, even if some of us never even use those items. And, even if our current battery of rifles has the slot into which the "new and improved" cartridge rifle combination should fit, filled by older and reliable cartridges and rifles that do the job and really cannot be improved upon.

I am as guilty of this as are many others. When I came home from the Army in 1964, I bought a rifle in 30-06 with which to slay deer in Maryland. Later in 1968, I got a rifle in 243Win. to better kill ground hogs at longer range. I could have stopped there, but I read too much.

As a result, I ended up owning and hunting with a lot of different rifles and calibers. *ALL* of them did the job handily. The deer and other game never noticed the difference in the ballistics that I had carefully studied. A dead game animal is just as dead if the equipment used is up to the job, which most all centerfire rifles and cartridges are!

So, why did I go through so many rifles and cartridges in the over 60 years that I have been hunting? Much of it was to own and use something "different" and some of it was the result of having the disposable income and fantasizing over what that next rifle and/or caliber was going to do for me!

All of it was fun. I would not change any of it. Even though we know that Old Jack O'Connor was right when he said, "Beware the man who only owns one rifle. He can probably use it."

There is no criticism here. I merely smile at the folly of modern man!

What do you think about the subject?

Best,
Steven
 
I really enjoyed reading your statements. I can only imagine what it was like back in 1915 when we first reached the 3000 ft./s mark with the 250 savage. I'm sure a lot of people were wishing they could afford to buy something like that when hunting with their 30-30 thinking they could kill their deer or whatever further or faster. But those same 30-30s and 250 savages such as mine still kill them just as dead as anything we've come up. Like the saying goes it's not necessarily the size of your wand but the magic you work with it .Granted some cartridges extend the range but I think on average most marksman have not extended their abilities,only their wallets.
 
I grew up on a ranch which was owned by my Grandfather. He grew up in the depression. He was tight. When we built a barn we used 5 gallon buckets of nails he had collected for years, many were bent and my job was to straighten them. I remember one day while I was straightening nails I griped a little about it and the next thing I knew I was getting a lesson on the depression, saving things that could be used cause you "never know" and on and on. Grandpa used the moments to teach and he did a great job.

His guns represented the same thinking. An old sporterized British 303, a Winchester 22 and an 870 long barreled full choke. That's all he had and used each one very effectively. I was a kid fascinated with knives and guns. After school I would go down to the local General Store "Cash and Carry" and see what was new. The owner liked to trade and I traded often for knives and later for firearms. I didn't have much money but I did have a work ethic and would use labor as barter.

My Grandpa was the "one rifle" kind of guy. I'm the "more than I need" kind of guy. I still trade and buy today. Instead one 222 I have a multiple small calibers, multiple mid sized and multiple big calibers. I use to try and justify every purchase but somewhere along the way I stopped doing that and realized I really enjoy firearms. That kid in me has never gone away, I get just as excited today when I find a used gun I've been looking for years or when a knife I ordered a year ago shows up, when the UPSman drops of my reloading order. Very enjoyable.

One last thing. Firearms are a unique hobby. Most of the hobbys people enjoy today are Hobbys that you throw money at and get little return on your investment. If buy a 1500.00 dollar set of golf clubs what are they worth two years later? Buy a 3,000 dollar parachute and you can't sell it for 1,500 a year later. That's not the case with firearms. If your a used gun type of guy and buy right you might make a little money here and there and still get to enjoy new items. Maybe the best thing about firearms are the people who enjoy them, at least most of the people anyways. Take a look at this forum, these are the kind of people I like.
 
When I was twenty-two I had all the guns I needed. I had a 22 rim fire Winchester model 61A pump that could digest short, long and long rifle ammo. I had a 22 LR semi auto pistol, I had a 3006 hunting rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun. I knew that if it needed killing I had a gun for the job. Well, I always wanted a bolt action 35 caliber and I was enamored with the 358. It was a "rare" gun or "obsolete" depending on your point of view and most often it was a lever action rifle. After talking to my gunsmith about it over a span of months he asked if I wanted to have one built. I immediately said yes and then back-pedaled to ask how much. Dan (Dan Cohen) made 1, 3 and 600 yard bench-rest rifles and had the winning targets on the wall to show that his guns were "adequate" as he put it.When he gave me a price of only $800 I agreed and started looking for an action. He was partial to the Remington 700 and was used to working with it. Before I could find one he came up with a trade-in and said that he would use it for my project. He did everything to make that rifle a shooter. I got a Douglas Supreme barrel, the action was trued and the lugs were lapped. He did all the work on the barrel and kept it heavy enough to make the overall weight of the gun 10 pounds just like I wanted. He matched the dimensions of my 3006 stock so they would feel and shoot the same. He mounted the Timney trigger and adjusted it to 4 pounds just like my '06. I bought a scope that he recommended and he mounted it and bore sighted it for me. He worked over the feed ramp so pistol bullets would feed just as well as the pointy ones. We talked about break-in procedure and maintenance. After firing some 308 ammo through it (as he recommended) I loaded up some final fire forming rounds using 158 grain Sierra JHP and 4064 powder. I fired 80 rounds that day consisting of five shot groups over a backing target. Cleaning it as recommended for the break-in. None of the individual groups was over 7/16" and the aggregate group was under one inch for all 80 rounds. I took three targets back to show him and he told me that once I worked up a "good" load those groups would shrink even more. He assured me that my aggregate group would look more like the 5 shot groups. He was, as you might have guessed, right. I have a load for the 158 grain pistol bullet that consistently produces groups under 3/8" with the best group of .301" center to center. It shoots just as well with Hornady 180 grain spire points and 180 grain Speer flat points.The stock we (I) decided to use was the Remington factory stock with the few mods that were necessary to copy my 3006. I enjoy driving .357 pistol bullets at 2700+ fps to sub caliber groups.
I didn't stop there either, after all I had a 30 and 35 so I needed a 25 so I got two (a matched set of Browning A-bolts) in 257 Roberts. Another odd ball cartridge with impossible to find cartridges. I added a 223 AR15, 7.62x39 SKS and am looking for a true 40 caliber , a 45 caliber and a 50 caliber so I will have calibers in .05 caliber steps from 25 to 50. I am also considering a 6mm, then I would need a 7, 8, and 9mm to make it a set. I already have single shot rifles in 223, 7mmTCU, 30-30, 357 Maximum, 7.62x54R, and 45 Colt.
So, my "toy" box is not yet full but I have a lot of toys to play with and I enjoy all of them. Boys never grow up. We just spend more on our toys!
 
Wait until you make your first pilgrimage to Zimbabwe to hunt Cape Buffalo. Or two years later, to RSA to hunt plains game. Or two years later for cats.
I have four .40+ caliber bolt rifles. And, we won't talk about double rifles...
 
Wait until you make your first pilgrimage to Zimbabwe to hunt Cape Buffalo. Or two years later, to RSA to hunt plains game. Or two years later for cats.
I have four .40+ caliber bolt rifles. And, we won't talk about double rifles...
Roger that! Next year will be my sixth time. Africa is BEYOND an addiction. Hard to explain but there's something weird about going back to the place where the human race began.
 
I am not addicted, I have stopped buying guns about twelve times. After each purchase I quit until the next purchase. I don't have a problem with buying guns, I have a problem with funds with which to buy guns. Africa is not in my plans so that is one expense I won't have.
I refuse to recognize that this is a problem. I have guns, I shoot guns. It is therapy and exercise. It is good for my sanity and physical health, therefore it can't be an addiction.
 
If not already in existence, there will soon be a 12 step program to help us get over our addiction. First we must admit that we have a problem that we can not overcome on our own. ;):)

I wonder if there are any new drugs in the pipeline from any of the drug manufacturers to combat this evil addiction. Will it be a self administered type injection, a pill/capsule to swallow, or an adhesive patch to apply to your skin??? :p;)
 
The real problem is my job prevents me from going to the range every day. I need 7 days a week to shoot the various rifles and calibers in the safes. But I also need the income from the job to purchase loading components for the afore mentioned rifles. It is a vicious cycle.
 
Roger that! Next year will be my sixth time. Africa is BEYOND an addiction. Hard to explain but there's something weird about going back to the place where the human race began.
I'm going to Africa for the first time in a week and half. Taking the wife and one of my daughters for plains game. They say I'll drop another deposit for the next hunt before I leave, lol, I believe them. It's cheaper than Texas right now, that will probably change and then it will be out of reach.
 
I'm going to Africa for the first time in a week and half. Taking the wife and one of my daughters for plains game. They say I'll drop another deposit for the next hunt before I leave, lol, I believe them. It's cheaper than Texas right now, that will probably change and then it will be out of reach.

Compared with guide hunting in the U.S., Africa is a screaming bargain. For what one animal's TOTAL cost in the U.S. you can hunt two weeks and shoot ten trophy animals. Airfare is extra. :p
 
That was an excellent post. My father grew up in WV IN a small coal town in the 40' and 50's (Was there any other type).

He has told stories since I can remember about his dad having to hunt to support the family of 12. They had little money as they were paidincompany script back then. rabbits and squirrels rounded out the vast majority of it. I am sure that is the reason I hunt so much today and although I don't have to, I supply a lot of our protein from what I kill. Yes I enjoy shooting a big buck. I try every year.but I am fortunate to be able to shoot 10 plus deer a year in 4 different states. we eat most everything and what we don't is donated.
 
I am the OP. Recently on group that collects mostly old military rifles (crffl@lists.angryhosting.com ), I started a cyber swap meet/cyber gun show. It has taken off pretty well. We are not only buying and selling military to each other, but have branched out into modern firearms of all types and various gear, both collectible and modern.

I am seeing the same addictions here in this group, as we have over on the Collector and Relic List. The added attraction is that many who take part, have come to know each other.

It was on that site that I got a NIB Weatherby Vanguard rifle in 257 Weatherby Mag. and a really nice shooting, sporterized Mauser in 7x57mm.

None of us are trying to make profit off one another. The idea is to pull out and offer things that we perhaps have even forgotten that we owned. Closets and safes are being emptied and the Brown Truck is pulling up to our houses, as we anxiously look out the window.

My Mom and Dad lived to be 90, so at 74, I believe that I have a long way to go. That said, I want to have fun with my things NOW and not think that when I turn my toes up, my kids will sell the stuff for nothing!! So, I am into swapping and having fun with "new to me" toys now! We can do this openly and throw in banter, so while I know that we have a "classified" on this site. Swapping with banter would be more fun. What say you?

If there is enough interest here, we can start this up.

That Vanguard mentioned above is not a caliber that I need to flesh out my battery to rifles. So, I will offer that, NIB, for swap. Who wants to do some trading?

Steven
 
I merely smile at the folly of modern man!

What do you think about the subject?

Best,
Steven


I am now going to put on my silver healing glove and lead the forum in a prayer for this poor, sick, lost man....

Dear lord......please here our prayer and help us to heal this sick, wild man...for his mind is filled with lunacy and he knows not of what he speak, lord!!! He is lost lord, lost in the wilderness of evil doing and he blaspheme his bretheren by telling us the crazy and unclean things.........like implying that "one gun will do it all" or even worse lord, he calleth our rifles "toys". Oh god the devil works too many hours!!!!
We humbly beseech thee lord to show this man the err of his ways...for long, long and hard is the way that up out of the darkness leads up and into the light of having as many guns and as much fun as one man can possibly have without going to Mexico!!!!! Lord here our prayer, ......can I get an amen from the flock??????
 
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