Our Constitutional Rights

[joshb]

You've taken a phrase of a sentence and made it a standalone statement. Taken in its entirety, it's not that absolute.
Over the years, modifications have been deemed necessary to protect the masses from each other due to acts of evil and / or technology..

Times change. When the phrase was written, the people had muskets.

Times change but history repeats. The founders had just fought their way out from under an oppressive government that, oh by the way, tried to restrict their access to arms. I read it the way it was meant at the time it was written: free access to arms.

 

[338 Mollett]

Not believing does not make a person bad

Not my place to pass judgement on that . BUT ! When the extremes of the Godless try to influence and take away the innocence of children freedom of religion has gone too far !

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

Let's keep piling them on! Back 'em into the corner!

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

No handgun rosters!

 

[358WCF]

Haven't read thru this whole thread. Hope this hasn't been posted.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

FWIW, while many reference the 2A, I believe it is worthwhile to spend some time reading the articles preceding the amendments. There is a wealth of information there….

Absolutely. Without understand it all, it's difficult to put it all together.

We need to keep in mind that our founding fathers had just gone through a tyrannical Government that wasn't even from America!

There's a good reason the 2A is written the way it is. I can't thank them enough for that. At the same time I can't despise the left/anti-gun/woke trying to take all the firearms away. It's pretty bold for anyone to think they'll take my arms away...I'll die defending my family.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

Haven't read thru this whole thread. Hope this hasn't been posted.

So, this is interesting, IMO, because he sure took some $#!T from the truckers. I know several people from Canada, not all of them are fond of hunting. One of them moved to America and now sucks up our SS and advocates gun control. This is wrong.

What Jordan Peterson is going through is unconstitutional for the Supreme Court of Canada.

While they did make it illegal for people to possess or transfer, I don't think they've been able to take anyone's arms just yet...I don't put it past Trudy though, he'd sign it if someone puts it in front of him (IMO). I trust Trudy about as much as I trust the Camel's Hairy@$$.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

Who would've thought illegal aliens would not be a part of the people? I have no sympathy, sorry, this is a win for the people...

What we're continuing to see is that the constitution is prevailing, and those amendments are provided to the people, period. That means no nothing. No freedom of speech, no right to keep and bear, no any amendment.

 

[Wild Bill IV]

Gun laws don't work in stopping and preventing gun related crimes!! If you want to stop mass shooting, invoke public viewed executions!! If you kill with a gun, you die by a gun!!! If you want to stop gun homicides, invoke victim viewed execution by firing squad! Unfortunately, laws on gun related suicides are classified as homicides!! Robbery crimes committed with guns, double the prison time!! Other crimes involving gun need a double prison term!!

In my days, we drove to school with guns in the trunk, back seat, and hanging on the gun racks in pickups!!! If a fight broke out, nobody went for their guns!! If a blade appeared, the knife holder was called a pussy!!! The only school shooting at that time was the bell tower shooting in Texas where a vet went went on a shooting spree!!! Some vets think they are back in the battle at the strangest time in their life!!!

Gang related shootings should be an automatic public viewed execution regardless if the victim(s) live or die!!!

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

This could be huge, it looks like suppressors could end up in the SCOTUS, although Anthony Miranda makes a good point about the lack of mentioning Bruen at all...

I'm no scholar (), but the ATF really has their tit in the wringer...OUCH!

DISCLAIMER: if you don't care for the Armed Scholar, don't watch this.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

Gun laws don't work in stopping and preventing gun related crimes!!

Of course they don't, most of us here know that, it's just not a part of the gun control nut jobs agenda.

If it was so easy and all cases were the same, I would agree that if you kill with a gun, you die by a gun...however, innocent people could be convicted of crimes they either hadn't done, or unfair justice against them.

One thing that would help is if they actually started to prosecute criminals rather than letting them out of prison. Where did that idea come from, shoot that guy in the back of the head at point blank.

For me the question still remains..."when do I get my constitutional rights?".

When does the Government stop crapping around and obey the constitution? If they want to let people out of prison, how about letting some of the Hell's Angels out? How about some of the other gang members in prison? Or make them serve in the military, that's another option that really hasn't been explored.

I'm ok with the death sentence though, which is what you basically propose with school shootings...but let's enforce it. We don't charge these people or even kill them on death row, "we the people" end up taking care of the tab through taxes.

I'm pretty much in agreement with you Wild Bill, as most on these forums are. Our states and feds don't understand how to combat it. We will never get it fixed at the rate we're going...we'll only make it worse.

 

[dryhumor]

Gun laws don't work in stopping and preventing gun related crimes!! If you want to stop mass shooting, invoke public viewed executions!! If you kill with a gun, you die by a gun!!! If you want to stop gun homicides, invoke victim viewed execution by firing squad! Unfortunately, laws on gun related suicides are classified as homicides!! Robbery crimes committed with guns, double the prison time!! Other crimes involving gun need a double prison term!!

In my days, we drove to school with guns in the trunk, back seat, and hanging on the gun racks in pickups!!! If a fight broke out, nobody went for their guns!! If a blade appeared, the knife holder was called a pussy!!! The only school shooting at that time was the bell tower shooting in Texas where a vet went went on a shooting spree!!! Some vets think they are back in the battle at the strangest time in their life!!!

Gang related shootings should be an automatic public viewed execution regardless if the victim(s) live or die!!!

I remember seeing a photograph when I was a kid of I believe, the last public hanging in my county. It occurred on the property where the photograph was displayed, on the lawn of the house I was standing in. Dead bodies still hanging, the public milling about. To me it was an interesting photograph. Did it act as a deterrent seeing evidence of a public execution. Not really, whatever the executed ones had done, I already knew enough not to go down that road.

In today’s age, I don’t think public execution would be a deterrent. Too many movies and games showing death and destruction. Too many minds broken by social media. Too many raised with broken character and ethics. Too many killings around the planet on the nightly news. Even if someone created an AI version of an execution, many wouldn’t be affected by it. It would just be another show.

Even today, carrying out a death sentence is a media event, used to sell ad space or promote an agenda. Execution should be carried out the day of sentence in my opinion.

However…..

 

[balloonpilot9513]

There have bee many good points made here.
I think it is all a part of treating the symptoms and not curing the disease.

We have become a society of compromise, acceptance and entitlement.

You are not entitled to anything! You have to Earn it!

The students aren't passing school, ok, lets lower the standard so they can pass instead of fixing the teaching process (not that I am blaming the teachers).

We hardly ever stop people for traffic violations any more! A stop sign means STOP! A YIELD sign means to slow down and proceed when it is clear. People don't follow the laws and when an accident happens at a stop sign, "oh, that must be a dangerous intersection, we need to put in a traffic light there!" No, there has been a stop sign there for a hundred years. Why is it now a dangerous intersection? No, it's dangerous drivers, and no safety equipment will help with that!

Everyone gets a trophy! So why try harder to do better next time? Why is poor or mediocre good enough now? I am 55 years old and still work every day to improve myself!

That's bad, you get a time out! Time out is fine if there is an actual punishment, not, "sit there for 30 seconds and say you are sorry".

Our society no longer has consequences to their actions.

What my father did to me for punishment as a child would be considered child abuse today, but I have never been arrested or broken a major law. Hell, I have not even been pulled over in almost 30 years and there is NO ONE on this planet that I respected more than dad!

He taught me right from wrong and that when I do right, I prosper. When I do something wrong, there is a consequence to my actions.

Just my $0.02

 

[dryhumor]

^^^^ well said

 

[284winner]

I agree. I remember a time when most people were too proud to take a handout. Working hard and standing on your own were virtues. Over the years, the leftist folks have enticed people with the idea that they’re “entitled” to take free stuff. The Student Loan Forgiveness program is a prime example.

That's called buying votes, plain and simple. Like offering first time homeowners 25K for a home purchase. Like this country can afford that sales pitch. Left wing radicals buying voters is alive and well. They want illegals to vote in our elections. Where the hell is this country headed. Handouts aren't what they once were. Today, they are in disguise.

 

[JFrank]

That's called buying votes, plain and simple

Both parties have been doing that as long as I can remember, unfortunately it takes an act of congress to impart new policies and change laws beyond the executive order that’s only temporary.

 

[josebd]

Is Kamala after all firearms or just ar15, high capacity firearms?

 

[jxb]

Both parties have been doing that as long as I can remember, unfortunately it takes an act of congress to impart new policies and change laws beyond the executive order that’s only temporary.

Exactly, people are quick to blame whomever is the current administration for all their issues but congress is the one they should be directing it towards. In the end most peoples issues are really of their own making in one way or another, but of course many would rather blame others than look inward.

Plan for reality of life, prepare for disaster, vote, and generally take care of your own house. Do this and things usually work out just fine.

 

[DRK]

Is Kamala after all firearms or just ar15, high capacity firearms?

Doesn't matter, they will change the narrative to fit their agenda. Guns are bad, okay?

 

[284winner]

Both parties have been doing that as long as I can remember, unfortunately it takes an act of congress to impart new policies and change laws beyond the executive order that’s only temporary.

Yep they are all politicians. Corruption exists on both sides