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Oryx at 700 yards with .17 Rem?

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Friends of mine are the exclusive outfitters on the Armendaris Ranch south of Albuquerque, New Mexico. They passed this photo on to me a few years ago. A retired police sniper came to the ranch with his 6.5-284 rifle and shot the oryx bull at about 700 yards. They saw dust from the hit, heard the whop too. Oryx ran off as if unhurt. The chase ensued for a couple miles and they were able to close the distance to a couple hundred yards. Hunter proceeds to shot 4 more shots and drops the bull. They walk up to it and see the bullet sticking out. They tried pulling it out with a pliers but it was mushroomed under the hide. It had hit a rib and expanded but didn't penetrate the rib bone. This was a 120 grain Barnes LRX type bullet. The energy the bullet was carrying at that distance was not enough to penetrate the bone.

They learned a lesson that day!

Scott
 
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Friends of mine are the exclusive outfitters on the Armendaris Ranch south of Albuquerque, New Mexico. They passed this photo on to me a few years ago. A retired police sniper came to the ranch with his 6.5-284 rifle and shot the oryx bull at about 700 yards. They saw dust from the hit, heard the whop too. Oryx ran off as if unhurt. The chase ensued for a couple miles and they were able to close the distance to a couple hundred yards. Hunter proceeds to shot 4 more shots and drops the bull. They walk up to it and see the bullet sticking out. They tried pulling it out with a pliers but it was mushroomed under the hide. It had hit a rib and expanded but didn't penetrate the rib bone. This was a 120 grain Barnes LRX type bullet. The energy the bullet was carrying at that distance was not enough to penetrate the bone.

They learned a lesson that day!

Scott

And a lot of Africa hunters swear by Barnes bullets. I swear at them. YMMV.
 
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Friends of mine are the exclusive outfitters on the Armendaris Ranch south of Albuquerque, New Mexico. They passed this photo on to me a few years ago. A retired police sniper came to the ranch with his 6.5-284 rifle and shot the oryx bull at about 700 yards. They saw dust from the hit, heard the whop too. Oryx ran off as if unhurt. The chase ensued for a couple miles and they were able to close the distance to a couple hundred yards. Hunter proceeds to shot 4 more shots and drops the bull. They walk up to it and see the bullet sticking out. They tried pulling it out with a pliers but it was mushroomed under the hide. It had hit a rib and expanded but didn't penetrate the rib bone. This was a 120 grain Barnes LRX type bullet. The energy the bullet was carrying at that distance was not enough to penetrate the bone.

They learned a lesson that day!

Scott

That looks like an expanded bullet travelled from the OTHER side, tumbled, and exited with the expanded petals retaining it in the hide. No way in hell did a Barnes not get past a rib, even at 700. And no, I’m not a huge fan of them, but have shot 1/2 dozen animals with them from hogs, deer, and two elk.
 
That looks like an expanded bullet travelled from the OTHER side, tumbled, and exited with the expanded petals retaining it in the hide. No way in hell did a Barnes not get past a rib, even at 700. And no, I’m not a huge fan of them, but have shot 1/2 dozen animals with them from hogs, deer, and two elk.

Do the ballistics on a 120 gr. bullet at 700 yards. The rib flexed with the bullet. These are big, tough, thick skinned animals.
 
I worked in a gun shop for quite a few years.

Had Canadian guy tell me his buddy shot an elk at 300 yards with a 17HMR. He said they got it all in video and when I asked to see it he couldn’t provide the video evidence.

I asked him where the elk was shot, since I was curious as to where it would have needed to been hit to kill it at that distance.......his response “in Canada”

I just walked away at that point.

Maybe it’s the same guy.
 
It too call B.S. but it does remind me of the chapter in PO Ackley’s book about shooting feral burros at long distance with a .220 Swift.
 
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Honestly, the only thing I could think of is the person was saying he got a hit (on a steel target) at 700 yards with a .17 sitting in a Oryx, as in the chassis made by MDT. Saying they killed an animal with a bullet that, based off pretty typical 17 Rem ballistics, has about 110 ft/lbs of energy at that distance just doesn't sound right. Even for a small gun shop tale.
 
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I don't know what to say about the penetration of the visible bullet but that guy shot a heck of a group with the other 3.
 
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Friends of mine are the exclusive outfitters on the Armendaris Ranch south of Albuquerque, New Mexico. They passed this photo on to me a few years ago. A retired police sniper came to the ranch with his 6.5-284 rifle and shot the oryx bull at about 700 yards. They saw dust from the hit, heard the whop too. Oryx ran off as if unhurt. The chase ensued for a couple miles and they were able to close the distance to a couple hundred yards. Hunter proceeds to shot 4 more shots and drops the bull. They walk up to it and see the bullet sticking out. They tried pulling it out with a pliers but it was mushroomed under the hide. It had hit a rib and expanded but didn't penetrate the rib bone. This was a 120 grain Barnes LRX type bullet. The energy the bullet was carrying at that distance was not enough to penetrate the bone.

They learned a lesson that day!

Scott

Yeah, but the .17, being a smaller bullet, would penetrate better! Considering the fact that my usual .17 Remington load produces 1,084 fps and 63 foot-pounds of energy at 700 yards and drop 124 inches from a 250-yard zero, that Oryx would just think a large fly bit him.
 
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Friends of mine are the exclusive outfitters on the Armendaris Ranch south of Albuquerque, New Mexico. They passed this photo on to me a few years ago. A retired police sniper came to the ranch with his 6.5-284 rifle and shot the oryx bull at about 700 yards. They saw dust from the hit, heard the whop too. Oryx ran off as if unhurt. The chase ensued for a couple miles and they were able to close the distance to a couple hundred yards. Hunter proceeds to shot 4 more shots and drops the bull. They walk up to it and see the bullet sticking out. They tried pulling it out with a pliers but it was mushroomed under the hide. It had hit a rib and expanded but didn't penetrate the rib bone. This was a 120 grain Barnes LRX type bullet. The energy the bullet was carrying at that distance was not enough to penetrate the bone.

They learned a lesson that day!

Scott

Looking at the hair, that bullet sticking out looks like it's an exit, not an entry wound. It's too far back to be a rib shot, so it would explain that it was well behind the vitals and the ensuing long chase. The tight group on the other four shots tells me the guy can shoot. I suspect that the story is true, except for the first shot hitting the rib.
 
Looking at the hair, that bullet sticking out looks like it's an exit, not an entry wound. It's too far back to be a rib shot, so it would explain that it was well behind the vitals and the ensuing long chase. The tight group on the other four shots tells me the guy can shoot. I suspect that the story is true, except for the first shot hitting the rib.
Light bullet, wind and yes, the bullet hit a rib.
 
Light bullet, wind and yes, the bullet hit a rib.

You were there sir, so I'll accept your report as true. It certainly looks odd, and not seeing any blood on the bullet shank is surprising. Is my assessment on the other four shots being very close together correct?
 
I wasn't there but my friend was the guide. He personally guides 100 hunters a year for oryx. And yes, the shooter definitely can shoot as attested by the killing shots group. The point of this post was the bullet didn't have enough energy to overcome the springiness of the rib bone.
Scott
 
I wasn't there but my friend was the guide. He personally guides 100 hunters a year for oryx. And yes, the shooter definitely can shoot as attested by the killing shots group. The point of this post was the bullet didn't have enough energy to overcome the springiness of the rib bone.
Scott

In another thread elsewhere in this forum there is a guy claiming that copper bellets will always out penetrate everything else. Funny, the thread was about accuracy and 75gr .224 bullets. Something about using it for long range elk hunting.

Funny thing about the gunshop/Internet commandos is they usually collapse after a few yards of exertion in the woods. Keeps it idiots out of the good hunting areas.
 
This guy was chatting up a clerk at the store about using a .17 at 700 yards and that seemed like a stretch unless there's something else out there.

My friend has a .17 Rem that he used on coyotes many years ago but no more than 200 yards. Seems like too light a bullet to me. Who knows maybe he did, just didn't sound right to me. Not only that he was holding up the line! I was about to say something when he stopped talking and moved off and I could get my purchase done. Anyhoo just venting.

I would have to wave the BS flag on that one.
 

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