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Opinion on hearing protection

Norm,

I went to an ear specialist and had custom molded plugs made. They don't work as well as the foamies in my opinion when shooting a rifle with a brake. In fact even the foam plugs don't quite cut it. I've resorted in wearing muffs over the plugs but even the slimmest muffs interfere with my cheek weld. So what's the answer when shooting a rifle with a brake?

Danny

A different stock and scope rings combination that lifts/straightens your head and prevents interference.
I can't shoot one of my rifles with them on because the comb has too much rake and pushes on the ear muff. I'm looking into replacing that stock and in the meantime I've stopped shooting it. I've been able to adjust my cheek wield and how I hold every other rifle I own to prevent contact with the muffs.

I have chronic problems with impacted ear wax, so I no longer use ear plugs. A single use of foam earplugs and I get to go to the ENT to have my impacted earwax suctioned off my ear drum (unpleasant and very inconvenient). I wear 3M Peltor X5A ear muffs now. They're big and bulky but they seal tight every time and work noticeably better than any other ear muff I've tried (electronic and passives). They also appear to work better than most foam ear plugs I've tried.
 
I have tried several different products but none of the high end electronics even though I've wasted enough on every lower level product to buy a set. Muffs are not comfortable for me as I shoot F-T/R and they interfere with a comfortable cheek weld and are too ht in the summer so I've mostly used ear plugs vs muffs.

I have the Walker's and I don't much care for them. I have regular size ears but small ear canals and even the smallest ear foams are too big. Google it. It's apparently a fairly common issue with them. Also, even if they are off they will kill the batteries so you have to take them out every time. Also a common issue with them. Bottom line for me anyway is they are uncomfortable, the foams tear easily and the batteries are constantly dead.

I recently got a set of Decibullz moldable percussion filter earpieces and I love them. You boil water and put the bases in for 5 minutes and then form them to your ears kind of like a mouthpiece. They have an assortment of foams and silicone inserts so no issue with fitting any size ear canal. The percussion filter is a very interesting little device. It is passive so no batteries to deal with but allows normal sounds, conversations etc.. to be heard but suppress loud sounds. They work very well. Since you custom mold them to your ears they are very comfortable. I've literally had them in for several hours at a time and experienced no discomfort at all. I'm quite pleased with them. They are $75 and include 2 sets of bases along with the assortment of inserts and a nice case. They make similar ear pieces that do not have the filters that are only about $25. They are available on Amazon but I bought mine directly from the manufacturer so I could get some extra foams, lanyard etc... Worth a look in my opinion.

https://www.decibullz.com/

Thanks for that critique of the Walker's. I literally just walked in the house with a pair I bought on sale at Midway.
The advisory in the package does appear to say the batteries will run down within a few days, once activated, whether they're being used, or not.
I too have small ear canals and have experienced problems with the various foam inserts; to the point of having parts of a torn insert removed at my doctor's office after I developed an earache.

The Walker's will be going back, unopened.
 
for the last two folks,
First, if the dispenser is asked for an ear mold extending past "the second bend" this mold should make for a perfect fit ear plug (no vent) and will be as good as a properly fitted yello foamie. If not into the second bend, the plug does not extend into the bony region of the ear canal and only into the cartilaginous region hence poor attenuation.

I used foamies and 3 ridged plugs till the GSP-15 electronic plugs became available. Now, that is all I use! They sound so natural I often forget to remove them once I finish shooting and drive home!
Yes, they use tiny little #10 batteries and once the seal is removed they will last up to 30 days
IF you open the battery door after using them. I usually get a couple weeks use from them.
 
We are in a situation where we can't win! A woman's (and a child's) voice is about an octave higher than a man's voice and that puts their consonants sometimes above out frequency response with high frequency loss. Unfortunately, consonants contain most of the intelligence in speech so we have a hard time understanding then EVEN IN PERFECT CONDITIONS!
 
Nancy scarbrough makes the best at bigger benchrest matches. They are quite expensive but this i know- i have had to wear earplugs properly my whole career (working in power generation). I have a hearing test every 9-10mo and have for the past 24yrs. I have had no shift in my hearing and can hear very well they say. When i properly insert good quality foam plugs they allow me to be next to turbines for very extended periods (if im real close i wear very good muffs too). Im told some turbine areas are 180db plus so im pretty in touch with hearing protection seeing audiologists from all corners of the earth to be evaluated when the time comes. I can tell a difference between good and great earplugs and can also tell a difference in muffs on top of plugs (some work better than others). I can put nancy’s molded plugs in and then put the best muffs on and cant tell the difference so i know her molded plugs are good. They go into the ear then are formed to the outside of the ear too. They are the same as ive gotten from good audiologists (ear brand i think) so go to your local audiologist and get some made. Itll be about $100 but its worth it.
 
Dusty,
While I am VERY against muffs for shooting, I think for your purposes a good quality muff designed for your head and costing a lot would be an advantage.
The reason some plugs are not helped with added muffs is because the average muff is just not up to the task. 26dB is about nominal for muffs. But, cheapie yello foamies inserted correctly (as you have learned to do over the years) will offer up to 40 dB attenuation which is about as good as it gets due to sound transferring through the mastoid bone. So, another 26 dB will not be noticed.
The big and expensive fitted muffs can in fact improve on attenuation due to covering a lot of the mastoid bone. But practically, the plugs are about as good as it gets.

Now, however, there are electronic plugs like my GSP-15 that I use for shooting. They allow you to hear normally in softer sound environments but, if inserted correctly, can protect as well as foamies .
 
I don't understand the comment about muffs over plugs not contributing to noise reduction. First I concede I am not an audio engineer. I can only report my real world experience. I use Howard Leight NRR33 -- some of the best foam plugs available, and yes I insert them correctly (as I use plugs 4-5 days a week riding motorcycles). All I can say is, with plugs inserted I can hear people talk a few feet away. With plugs AND muffs I cannot hear people talk at very same distance. Also, I did an experiment inside house with TV playing loudly. Volume definitely less with muffs over plugs -- it was quite noticeable.

Obviously a loud TV is not a gunshot.

I can also speak, as a motorcyclist, that full coverage helmet over plugs is definitely WAY quieter than plugs alone -- but that may have to do with wind deflection/channeling by helmet as well.
 
I need a hearing protection while shooting my gun. I don't like the terrible sound that why I need a earplugs. I think every shooter doesn't like sounds while shooting a gun. They need the hearing protection too like me. I found some websites those provide best shooter earplugs
https://www.bigearinc.com/products/firearms-hunting-shooting
https://www.gricegunshop.com/accessories/shooting-accessories/ear-plugs.html
https://www.pksafety.com/moldex-battleplugs-impulse-earplugs.html
Are you actually saying you have been shooting without using hearing protection?
 
Nancy scarbrough makes the best at bigger benchrest matches. They are quite expensive but this i know- i have had to wear earplugs properly my whole career (working in power generation). I have a hearing test every 9-10mo and have for the past 24yrs. I have had no shift in my hearing and can hear very well they say. When i properly insert good quality foam plugs they allow me to be next to turbines for very extended periods (if im real close i wear very good muffs too). Im told some turbine areas are 180db plus so im pretty in touch with hearing protection seeing audiologists from all corners of the earth to be evaluated when the time comes. I can tell a difference between good and great earplugs and can also tell a difference in muffs on top of plugs (some work better than others). I can put nancy’s molded plugs in and then put the best muffs on and cant tell the difference so i know her molded plugs are good. They go into the ear then are formed to the outside of the ear too. They are the same as ive gotten from good audiologists (ear brand i think) so go to your local audiologist and get some made. Itll be about $100 but its worth it.
Nancy scarbrough makes the best at bigger benchrest matches. They are quite expensive but this i know- i have had to wear earplugs properly my whole career (working in power generation). I have a hearing test every 9-10mo and have for the past 24yrs. I have had no shift in my hearing and can hear very well they say. When i properly insert good quality foam plugs they allow me to be next to turbines for very extended periods (if im real close i wear very good muffs too). Im told some turbine areas are 180db plus so im pretty in touch with hearing protection seeing audiologists from all corners of the earth to be evaluated when the time comes. I can tell a difference between good and great earplugs and can also tell a difference in muffs on top of plugs (some work better than others). I can put nancy’s molded plugs in and then put the best muffs on and cant tell the difference so i know her molded plugs are good. They go into the ear then are formed to the outside of the ear too. They are the same as ive gotten from good audiologists (ear brand i think) so go to your local audiologist and get some made. Itll be about $100 but its worth it.



Dusty, Nancy did my last molded plugs at the Super Shoot A few years ago.I use them with quality muffs. I'll agree with Forum Boss, I ain't a hearing scientist, but the noise is much reduced when I put my muffs over my molded plugs.
 
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Im a user of the decibulz also. I dont have the shooting inserts yet as i bought them for work not shooting. They however are comfortable and work so well i decided to use them for shooting also. I will be ordering the percussion filter for them or just buy a set for shooting. The non shooting ones are only 30 dollars and i have very small ear canals so i strugle to find plugs that are comfortable.
 
I have experience with many types of hearing protection, including custom molded,and I prefer 33 dB HL foam plugs covered by HL/Honeywell amplified muffs. When it comes to comparisons, I trust my ears.
 
Here is a discussion of using quality earplugs AND muffs that explains why doubling up DOES work. This is written by a full-time, professional audio Senior Scientist with MS in acoustical engineering,

OVERVIEW:

For those situations in which noise exceeds 100 dBA, as found in a wide range of industries from on-line aircraft engine maintenance to metal riveting, dual protection may be an appropriate solution.

Although the casual observer of HPD's labeled NRRs might conclude that in almost any noise exposure employees will be adequately protected (because labeled NRRs commonly range from 22 - 33 dB), that is far from the actual case. Many studies in the past 20 years have clearly demonstrated that in real-world environments HPD attenuation falls far short of the EPA-mandated NRRs that have appeared on packaging since the early 1980s (Berger et al., 1996). Thus in critical high-noise instances, where TWAs exceed 100 to 105 dBA, the use of dual hearing protection is warranted.

It is generally recommended that one should consider the use of dual protection when 8-hour time-weighted-average (TWA) exposures exceed 105 dBA as required in the new Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA, 1999) noise regulation, which went into effect September, 2000. For an extra margin of safety one may wish to consider implementation of dual protection when exposures exceed 100 dBA as is suggested in the 1998 NIOSH Revised Criteria for Occupational Noise Exposure. Using dual protection at levels or exposures below that is problematic due to interference with speech-based communication. However, once noise levels exceed 100 dBA unaided speech communication (i.e. communication without electronic amplifiers and earphones) is nearly impossible anyway. Therefore, no additional detriment is created by the extra protection.

Elliott H. Berger, MS, INCE Bd. Cert.
After receiving his M.S. in Acoustical Engineering from North Carolina State University, Elliott joined the Aearo Company in 1976. As E•A•R/Aearo's Senior Scientist, Auditory Research, he conducts hearing protector research and development. He has written over 60 articles on hearing protection/conservation, and was the principal editor for the 4th and 5th editions of the AIHA Noise & Hearing Conservation Manual. Elliott chairs ANSI working group S12/WG11 on real-world hearing protector performance, and is also involved with numerous other standards committees. In 1993 he was the recipient of the National Hearing Conservation Association's Outstanding Hearing Conservationist Award, and in both 1993 and 1998 received their Outstanding Lecture Award. Elliott is Past President of the National Hearing Conservation Association (NHCA), Past-Chair of the American Industrial Hygiene Association's (AIHA) Committee on Noise and a Fellow of the Association, a Board Member of the of the Council for Accreditation in Occupational Hearing Conservation (CAOHC), a Fellow of the Acoustical Society of America (ASA), and a member of the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA).
 
Here is a discussion of using quality earplugs AND muffs that explains why doubling up DOES work. This is written by a full-time, professional audio Senior Scientist with MS in acoustical engineering,

OVERVIEW:

For those situations in which noise exceeds 100 dBA, as found in a wide range of industries from on-line aircraft engine maintenance to metal riveting, dual protection may be an appropriate solution.

Although the casual observer of HPD's labeled NRRs might conclude that in almost any noise exposure employees will be adequately protected (because labeled NRRs commonly range from 22 - 33 dB), that is far from the actual case. Many studies in the past 20 years have clearly demonstrated that in real-world environments HPD attenuation falls far short of the EPA-mandated NRRs that have appeared on packaging since the early 1980s (Berger et al., 1996). Thus in critical high-noise instances, where TWAs exceed 100 to 105 dBA, the use of dual hearing protection is warranted.

It is generally recommended that one should consider the use of dual protection when 8-hour time-weighted-average (TWA) exposures exceed 105 dBA as required in the new Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA, 1999) noise regulation, which went into effect September, 2000. For an extra margin of safety one may wish to consider implementation of dual protection when exposures exceed 100 dBA as is suggested in the 1998 NIOSH Revised Criteria for Occupational Noise Exposure. Using dual protection at levels or exposures below that is problematic due to interference with speech-based communication. However, once noise levels exceed 100 dBA unaided speech communication (i.e. communication without electronic amplifiers and earphones) is nearly impossible anyway. Therefore, no additional detriment is created by the extra protection.

Elliott H. Berger, MS, INCE Bd. Cert.
After receiving his M.S. in Acoustical Engineering from North Carolina State University, Elliott joined the Aearo Company in 1976. As E•A•R/Aearo's Senior Scientist, Auditory Research, he conducts hearing protector research and development. He has written over 60 articles on hearing protection/conservation, and was the principal editor for the 4th and 5th editions of the AIHA Noise & Hearing Conservation Manual. Elliott chairs ANSI working group S12/WG11 on real-world hearing protector performance, and is also involved with numerous other standards committees. In 1993 he was the recipient of the National Hearing Conservation Association's Outstanding Hearing Conservationist Award, and in both 1993 and 1998 received their Outstanding Lecture Award. Elliott is Past President of the National Hearing Conservation Association (NHCA), Past-Chair of the American Industrial Hygiene Association's (AIHA) Committee on Noise and a Fellow of the Association, a Board Member of the of the Council for Accreditation in Occupational Hearing Conservation (CAOHC), a Fellow of the Acoustical Society of America (ASA), and a member of the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA).
This has been proven by many experts.
 
I use a custom molded plug plus high DB rated muffs. I
have tried the foam plugs, but regardless of how
well I seat them, they soon crawl back out. I wished
they worked, because they offer cheap protection. LDS
 

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