NRA Poised to Approve Suppressors in Competition?

[distinguished]

No,
Again the ATF isn't going to go around checking up on you on suppressors anymore than say the FBI/ATI/State Police of forbidden semi auto states are going to go to matches to see who from the communist states are shooting service rifles. Like I said anytime you get a visit is if you do something to bring attention to yourself and they get a warrant.

As a dealer there is a lot of tin foil hat thinking when it comes to them.

Maybe so but, when they were looking for the Beltway Sniper, LEO came to quite a few people's houses looking for their AR's. They even took some. Not much of a step to believe they can do the same with suppressors. Warrant? All they need is probable cause. Red flag laws are in effect here also. Don't need the headache or the expense.

 

[drop_point]

"They would have to have a warrant..." Lots of folks don't know this. They can't just march into your gun room without one (at least, legally).

ETA: To the NRA: Either allow suppressors or not, based upon technical issues with regards to rifles and peoples hearing. It is and should be up to the individual shooter to figure out if it's legal or not. We are (most of us) smart enough to figure it out. If you want, put a disclaimer in regs: It is up to the individual to comply with all firearms laws and the NRA is not responsible for any of that stuff....

Guys that shoot suppressor-legal matches: Have you ever seen an ATF agent there? Just curious...

I've never seen the ATF at a match. I've probably shot 30 or more matches in which suppressors were allowed. The ATF would be trespassing and would be asked to leave and attain a warrant if they showed up to most of the matches I've attended.

 

[L.Sherm]

Well that you know of, anymore its no telling what these 3 letter agencies are up to. Remember the patriot act pretty much lets them do anything they want. J6, churches, etc.

 

[Richard Jones]

Maybe so but, when they were looking for the Beltway Sniper, LEO came to quite a few people's houses looking for their AR's. They even took some. Not much of a step to believe they can do the same with suppressors. Warrant? All they need is probable cause. Red flag laws are in effect here also. Don't need the headache or the expense.

I thought they needed probable cause to obtain a warrant. I didn't know that probable cause allowed them to legally enter your home. Maybe there's an attorney on here that will weigh in.

 

[Albany Mountain]

So... we can use (provisionally) suppressors in MR AR Tactical, but are still saddled by the retarded rule about not being able to use a SLED to (in theory) promote the use of mag length ammo, while not actually *requiring* it.

Got it.

What retarded rule is that?

 

[mike mccormick]

You mean the NRA is still running matches??

 

[clowdis]

If the Fed's decided to show up to a match they would have all the warrants they need to inspect every suppressor on the line. If I'm not mistaken the ATF can ask for your paperwork anytime they want to and you have to produce it. That's why it's suggested that you keep your paperwork with your suppressor. Do I think they will ever do that? No, I don't. They have better things to do.

 

[Heman]

If the Fed's decided to show up to a match they would have all the warrants they need to inspect every suppressor on the line. If I'm not mistaken the ATF can ask for your paperwork anytime they want to and you have to produce it. That's why it's suggested that you keep your paperwork with your suppressor. Do I think they will ever do that? No, I don't. They have better things to do.

Blair you are correct, if you're asked you need to produce the stamp. Same goes for SBR's and machine guns. Regarding the beltway sniper if they don't have a warrant they can't legally come in and search and confiscate. Maybe they did but thats a lawsuit waiting to happen. Constitution still holds (in red states at least) and that is probable cause to get a warrant.

Sled rule is NRA's AR tactical rule. Depending on how you read it we've had some people and we had discussion at a BOD meeting two years ago about shooting rounds from the mag as that is how some people interpreted it.

 

[memilanuk]

What retarded rule is that?

3.3.3(g) Magazine – Standard 10-, 20-, or 30- round magazines must be used. Reduced capacity magazines and “sleds” are prohibited.

 

[Heman]

3.3.3(g) Magazine – Standard 10-, 20-, or 30- round magazines must be used. Reduced capacity magazines and “sleds” are prohibited.

And its the "must be used" language where people thing it means shoot rounds loaded from the magazine. I'm not sure what their point was on this rule. If you shoot rounts loaded from a magazine then you violate the rules that say in slow fire all rounds must be single loaded (forget scripture and verse for that).

 

[L.Sherm]

Did they have warrants to spy on church's?

 

[Heman]

Did they have warrants to spy on church's?

Church is not a private residence.

 

[L.Sherm]

Church is not a private residence.

I'm not talking private resident, im talking at a match. If I read the patriot act correct it they deem there looking for a terrorist its pretty much wide open.
And who's definition of a terrorist are they using? There own.

 

[distinguished]

I thought they needed probable cause to obtain a warrant. I didn't know that probable cause allowed them to legally enter your home. Maybe there's an attorney on here that will weigh in.

As an example, if an officer sees a crack pipe on the seat in your vehicle, that is sufficient probable cause for them to search it. All it takes in D.C. is for them to see an empty case in the vehicle. All it takes under red flag laws is for someone to say they saw or suspect something. That's the way I understand it.

 

[Richard Jones]

As an example, if an officer sees a crack pipe on the seat in your vehicle, that is sufficient probable cause for them to search it. All it takes in D.C. is for them to see an empty case in the vehicle. All it takes under red flag laws is for someone to say they saw or suspect something. That's the way I understand it.

I would agree about your vehicle scenario. Red flag law, I think you still need a warrant.

 

[DirtySteve]

If the Fed's decided to show up to a match they would have all the warrants they need to inspect every suppressor on the line. If I'm not mistaken the ATF can ask for your paperwork anytime they want to and you have to produce it. That's why it's suggested that you keep your paperwork with your suppressor. Do I think they will ever do that? No, I don't. They have better things to do.

I keep a copy of my trust and approved forms/stamps on my Iphone..

 

[urbanrifleman]

No,
Again the ATF isn't going to go around checking up on you on suppressors anymore than say the FBI/ATI/State Police of forbidden semi auto states are going to go to matches to see who from the communist states are shooting service rifles. Like I said anytime you get a visit is if you do something to bring attention to yourself and they get a warrant.

As a dealer there is a lot of tin foil hat thinking when it comes to them.

I think there are something like 4 ATF agents in Oklahoma. I don't know the actual number, but when I talked to the agent responsible for my area, he said something like it's only a few people.

People have made them into the ultimate KGB.

 

[Tangent]

I see some comments about mirage off suppressors. I just run a cover lined with carbon felt and don't notice any issues with mirage, YMMV.

 

[karrarararararar]

I see some comments about mirage off suppressors. I just run a cover lined with carbon felt and don't notice any issues with mirage, YMMV.

Same. I haven't done any 20 shot slow fire strings, but have used it in PRS gas gun where you could shoot 20 shots in 90 seconds. I had a stage in the last match where I shot 18 and didn't notice any issues. I am using a sliencerco hybrid 46, which is fairly large for a 223.

 

[L.Sherm]

People have made them into the ultimate KGB

I think the last 4 years especially the 3 letter agency's have done a pretty good job of that themselves.