Adam in WI
Practically lives here
Then theres the 6.8 western 270 win and wsm.
I like the .270s; but that trio isn't putting a damper on sales of any 7mm
Then theres the 6.8 western 270 win and wsm.
Depends.Seems like the 6.5 stuff killed the smaller 7mm stuff. 120-150 grain in 7mm-08 type cases. Guess there wasnt a lot of options in that range. 6.5 prc might put a hurt on 7 saum and wsm? Maybe even the rem mag? I can see it being better than 280 ai too. Only the big 7’s seem popular to push those big 175-195 grain pills. 28 nosler, 7/300 prc and 7 practical. Do lesser 7mm cases using 150-168give any advantage over a 6.5 140-150 gr bullets now?
Then theres the 6.8 western 270 win and wsm.
Kenny !!......Berger's 140 VLD Hunter would be a good bet in theI'd thought a 7mm-08 throated for the 160gr TMK would be a good combo.
Or IF Berger would make a lighter hybrid bullet.
The 7mm mag and steel at 3000 yds... that would be "really good" for many of us!...but it doesn't take a 7 mag...that's been done with a stock Remington 700 police 308 200.2 gr Bergers in a aluminum chasis by the Australian shooting couple... on video. But then it doesn't take the puny 308 to get it done either!I was meaning a 7mm for ELR/ULR.
Not just the bullet.
A 30-34" tube with the 197 Sierra, or 195 Bergers.
Video's are out there with 7mm Rem Mag at 3,000 yards on a 24X24 plate.
Smaller target than KO2M.
I no longer hunt with anything but my 7mm-08 and the .223There is also the possibility that the 7mm bullet development kind of finished. At least for most targets and hunting. We have a lot of good bullets. Outside of BR and PRS it’s been the go to for a lot of yrs.
as for 30s, what’s new out there?
In the 6.5s there has been lots of room that hadn’t been explored, and the marketing for the caliber has made it the flavor of the season.
personally my 7-08 does everything I need with 140 class bullets for hunting.
Just seems like the 6.5 stuff will do anything the smaller grain smaller case 7mm will do and do it better. So the 7mm popularity for smaller cases and smaller bullets drops and the only real positive to a 7mm is in the heavy grain high bc stuff which typically needs atleast rem mag capacity or greater to shine. (Match shooting with 30-32” barrels the 284 stuff is fine but in a more hunting style or tactical gun with 20-26” barrels, not as heavy etc you like more case capacity.) And those big ones are throat eaters, and a big 30 isnt to far behind them in ballistics with the 30 nosler 300 prc 300 norma and rum etc with alot more barrel life. So i can understand 7’s falling off some in popularity.Depends.
Are you talking strictly target/match shooting?
Or hunting?
Berger, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Swift all make good lower (less than 180gr) hunting bullets.
For Out to 1,000 yards, the 7mm-08 shoots a little flatter than the 308 with higher BCs.
I'd thought a 7mm-08 throated for the 160gr TMK would be a good combo.
Or IF Berger would make a lighter hybrid bullet.
Still waiting for Sierra to start making bullets again...
Good point about match/steel shooting with long barrels vs hunting having quite different requirements.Just seems like the 6.5 stuff will do anything the smaller grain smaller case 7mm will do and do it better. So the 7mm popularity for smaller cases and smaller bullets drops and the only real positive to a 7mm is in the heavy grain high bc stuff which typically needs atleast rem mag capacity or greater to shine. (Match shooting with 30-32” barrels the 284 stuff is fine but in a more hunting style or tactical gun with 20-26” barrels, not as heavy etc you like more case capacity.) And those big ones are throat eaters, and a big 30 isnt to far behind them in ballistics with the 30 nosler 300 prc 300 norma and rum etc with alot more barrel life. So i can understand 7’s falling off some in popularity.
In chronological order the big 30's came first and the big 7's offered good performance with less recoil. Today with improvements smaller case capacities and projectiles provide equal performance. It makes sense to move to overall performance, less recoil makes a rifle easier in the field.Just seems like the 6.5 stuff will do anything the smaller grain smaller case 7mm will do and do it better. So the 7mm popularity for smaller cases and smaller bullets drops and the only real positive to a 7mm is in the heavy grain high bc stuff which typically needs atleast rem mag capacity or greater to shine. (Match shooting with 30-32” barrels the 284 stuff is fine but in a more hunting style or tactical gun with 20-26” barrels, not as heavy etc you like more case capacity.) And those big ones are throat eaters, and a big 30 isnt to far behind them in ballistics with the 30 nosler 300 prc 300 norma and rum etc with alot more barrel life. So i can understand 7’s falling off some in popularity.
I shure hope so...lolSo i can understand 7’s falling off some in popularity.
Through out this drought, The Hornady A-Tips were pretty much easyI shure hope so...lol
Make things easier for me in obtaining components....like the 180HYB's
How about a response from the F/O shooters? Are the various 7mms still winning?
Through out this drought, The Hornady A-Tips were pretty much easy
to find. The cost of them is the reason why. Now that I'm playing
with them with better then good results, I hope they keep the price
high for selfish reasons.....On another note.....Early last year, I
bought the remaining stock of Sierras 7mm 130 HPBT Match King
since they have ceased to make them. They flat out shoot in one of
my short wildcats to 2900 fps. It's a shame the 7/08 guy's did'nt pick
up on this to keep production alive. I have 2800 of them on the shelf
and there will be no more.
Not likely anyone in F open will stop shooting the most popular bullet Berger 180 HYB anytime soon.. oh well
Glad im good for a while.
The 190 A tips are great in the bigger 7 ns
Just not my Shehane
By packaging right off the machine and having the consumerThe A-Tip price can’t come down, in my opinion. This is something we only would know from purchasing and handling them. I don’t see how they can even be produced profitably at the price they cost now, and so I have wondered about two grim possibilities, first, that these early years are at mere introductory pricing, and even worse, that Hornady might simply pull the line altogether rather than charge more per bullet, as they seem to follow a very principled pricing dictate.
I may have to try that sometime..Try seating them very deep,
I think the lack of selection issues in 7mm are related to the fact companies are making as many 6.5's and 308 bullets as they can make. Once the supply issues get sorted out, I am sure 7mm will be back.
The PRCs stole the 7mm's thunder. Now that the 7PRC arrived, we'll see how it does.I have three, a 280AI, 7x57 and a 7-08. Bullet selection isn't nearly as good as what the 6.5's and 30's have either anymore.