I think now that factory brass is available you will start to see a lot of PRS shooters move to the dasher. It is perfectly suited for those kinds of matches. The Silencer Co "Quiet Riot" was won last weekend with a Dasher. Can't wait to get one put together. Thank you Shiraz for making this happen!
Norma 6Dasher Brass
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I agree, then all the components, etc will dry up because PRS guys are worse horders than highpower guys
Been watching the drama unfold for the past couple of days. Be nice to see some of that energy redirected towards working on solutions instead of complaining that this new brass from a different manufacturer isn't an "identical replacement" drop in for a caliber that typically uses fireformed brass from another brand... I think FatBoy nailed everything I was thinking. Yes, it's different and might not be what you were expecting... but get over it and work things out or send it back for a refund if you're that unhappy. I don't consider $12 for a modified shell holder to be a big problem, and I also wouldn't expect to get away with not having to tweak loads after changing brass manufacturers given the variation in case volume especially when many Dasher shooters are running at, near, or slightly over design pressures; the brass changed, so reduce loads and work back up.
On a positive note, just got shipping notice from bullets.com for the modified redding shell holder... that was quick! One more obstacle down.
Also found that one of the shell holders in the assortment for my Sinclair priming tool fits and functions OK, I think it was a #3.
The thick case rim isn't an issue in my action, and if it was I'd simply hone a little off the extractor until it was no longer an issue.
The gunsmith received his reamer today, hopefully he can get my barrel spun up in a decent amount of time. I really want to start in on load development to see how things work. I do wish the reamer was spec'd with a 1.610 neck length and 0.273 neck diameter just for a little more margin for us "load and shoot" guys who don't want to neck turn but the current 1.605 & .272 dimensions should be OK based on the measurements of the brass I received. The only thing I'm really wondering about at this point is brass longevity... and if the brass has a decent life the 500 cases I purchased should last for at least a couple of barrels as I don't plan on loading to the absolute max. However, I will acknowledge that with my luck the rifle will have the best accuracy node at or just above the max... LOL!
At this point I'm just hoping the Redding 6 Dasher dies I purchased from Robert will work OK with the Norma Dasher reamer chamber dimensions. I know the seater die won't work as received from Robert (not enough neck length, so the neck of the brass would bottom out before the entire case body and shoulder is properly supported.) Thus the seating die is at the gunsmith who will run the chambering reamer into it to lengthen the neck portion of the die and correct that issue. I'm hoping the dimensions of Robert's FL die will play nice with the chamber dimensions of the bullets.com PT&G reamer and the brass. Hopefully I'll find out soon.
On a positive note, just got shipping notice from bullets.com for the modified redding shell holder... that was quick! One more obstacle down.
Also found that one of the shell holders in the assortment for my Sinclair priming tool fits and functions OK, I think it was a #3.
The thick case rim isn't an issue in my action, and if it was I'd simply hone a little off the extractor until it was no longer an issue.
The gunsmith received his reamer today, hopefully he can get my barrel spun up in a decent amount of time. I really want to start in on load development to see how things work. I do wish the reamer was spec'd with a 1.610 neck length and 0.273 neck diameter just for a little more margin for us "load and shoot" guys who don't want to neck turn but the current 1.605 & .272 dimensions should be OK based on the measurements of the brass I received. The only thing I'm really wondering about at this point is brass longevity... and if the brass has a decent life the 500 cases I purchased should last for at least a couple of barrels as I don't plan on loading to the absolute max. However, I will acknowledge that with my luck the rifle will have the best accuracy node at or just above the max... LOL!
At this point I'm just hoping the Redding 6 Dasher dies I purchased from Robert will work OK with the Norma Dasher reamer chamber dimensions. I know the seater die won't work as received from Robert (not enough neck length, so the neck of the brass would bottom out before the entire case body and shoulder is properly supported.) Thus the seating die is at the gunsmith who will run the chambering reamer into it to lengthen the neck portion of the die and correct that issue. I'm hoping the dimensions of Robert's FL die will play nice with the chamber dimensions of the bullets.com PT&G reamer and the brass. Hopefully I'll find out soon.
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CaptainMal
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Got my cases just today. How are you getting a proper shell holder?
Some person on here said you could use a 30-30 one. What a stupid I am. The rim thickness is the same but the diameter is too large. I jammed a case in my custom Forster die. Took an hour to devise a way to extract it. Checked lots and lots of shell holders I have. Even ones from different brands. To me the cases are useless. Nothing fits.
The cases are long - about 1.590 long. Headspace is good. Neck thickness is between .0125 and .0130". Runout was also good. Only thing I can find is the unless rim thickness making it a total loss for now. The rest looks fine but I have yet to measure the head size.
Going to contact Bullets.com and get their ideas on shell holder.
Some person on here said you could use a 30-30 one. What a stupid I am. The rim thickness is the same but the diameter is too large. I jammed a case in my custom Forster die. Took an hour to devise a way to extract it. Checked lots and lots of shell holders I have. Even ones from different brands. To me the cases are useless. Nothing fits.
The cases are long - about 1.590 long. Headspace is good. Neck thickness is between .0125 and .0130". Runout was also good. Only thing I can find is the unless rim thickness making it a total loss for now. The rest looks fine but I have yet to measure the head size.
Going to contact Bullets.com and get their ideas on shell holder.
Kyle Schultz
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Has been discussed repeatedly. Bullets.com is now offering a modified Redding #1 shell holder. In the meanwhile. most everyone else has had luck with either a RCBS #2 or a Hornady #2 shell holder. The Hornady I bought at Cabela's cost $6. Problem solved.
Your next question will be about the extractor claw. Most people report no problems. BAT, Kelbly, Barnard, Borden, etc. are all okay. There are some rare exceptions. A 2-minute fix with a file. Good luck!
Right here...
http://bullets.com/products/Shellholder-for-Norma-6mm-Dasher/BL12100
Ordered one a few days ago; a few pages back Shiraz said they were going to modify a few in house to get people rolling and Redding is going to be making them a batch for future sales. The small batch of modified ones are ready and shipping as of today, I received a tracking number this afternoon.
That covers the press side of things, but depending on your priming tool you might still have a problem. I found that the Lee #3 shell holder works for now in my Sinclair priming tool; it has plenty of height to clear the thick rim, although I would like to find another shell holder that has a little less slop around the circumference to have more engagement with the case rim. The #1 shell holder, which is correct for this case diameter and would fit the circumference tighter doesn't have quite enough clearance for the extra rim thickness of this brass. Not sure if the Sinclair manufactured #1 shell holder offers any more clearance than the Lee #1 shell holder that I have. (Consider this another product hint for Shiraz...)
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Yes I do think there will be more PRS shooters running Dashers now. I've got another barrel waiting for me to do the install work to go on a rifle so it can be switched from .308win. to 6 Dasher.
I know a lot of people reading this thread are only focusing on the Dasher I would like to make a comparison even though it's not apples and apples.....
Go hand load for .338 Lapua. The original .338 Lapua was based on .416 Rigby cases. So why would Lapua at some point in time change the specs. on the extractor groove? So for a RCBS press you need a #37 shell holder but Norma and Hornady's cases are still based on the original spec. and need a #14 shell holder but.....now buy some Swiss Ruag ammo....guess what those cases don't work with either shell holder.
Does anyone remember right before Winchester publically came out with the .300WSM and guys where having rifles built etc...but right before the guns and ammo came out for sale Winchester made a change on the brass/chambers. Shooters that already had rifles built all of a sudden had problems. My point.......
I'm happy that a ammo maker/bullet maker (Norma) not to mention a individual/business man (Shiraz) was able to put this altogether so there is a choice for factory brass.
I trimmed all my brass today. All chambered, extracted with no problems in my 40x/6 Dasher. I couldn't be happier.
Most on here in one form or another build custom/modify factory rifles, reload etc....for those of us that already had guns built the brass might work with out any real hiccups and some of us will have to make some changes. Again I'm just glad there is a factory brass option out there.
Later, Frank
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swd
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Call Bernie.
Spend more time prepping your loads instead of grinding an axe.
Absolutely Frank, well said. I personally don't see what the fuss is about. Nothing I have seen yet is a deal breaker. Norma makes exelent brass and I am confident they will preform on par with Lapua. The "issues" I see as improvements. The longer neck is a good thing and a thicker rim can only help on a high pressure case like the Dasher. It "may" help keep the Pockets tighter longer and it will surely aid in the event of a stuck case.
The 6mms do very well in the PRS and each year they seam to be gaining more ground. The 6 creedmoor and the 6-6.5x47 are the most popular fallowed by the XC and a couple of others. If brass availability stays constant I look for the Dasher to take over. It really has it all. It takes 3000fps with the 105 class bullets to shine in the PRS and you simply can not get a more efficient way to get their than with the BR improved cartridges. The Dasher has a bright future!
- Just look at all the money you have to spend to get norma 6 dasher to shoot and all the bugs in norma dasher brass. I will just buy laupa brass and send them to DJs and hydro form them that is the answer to all of this
CaptainMal
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You can "shove" the link to Bullets.com for that shell holder. Spent time on the phone with them this morning. Was told some would be available scheduled in for AUGUST 21st.
This is a bummer for me as I just bought a new Bartlein bbl. from Bullets that just was chambered and installed. Guess I will have to order more Lapua brass or use some of my old stuff from another rifle for testing. Months away from using that Norma brass. Feel a bit mis-led right now.
This is a bummer for me as I just bought a new Bartlein bbl. from Bullets that just was chambered and installed. Guess I will have to order more Lapua brass or use some of my old stuff from another rifle for testing. Months away from using that Norma brass. Feel a bit mis-led right now.
Shiraz
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Captain - Just responded to the other thread you started. Shell holders due in within 10 days. They are in heat treating now at Redding and a partial order is coming via expedited to us.
Some of these comments are unacceptable. Learn to adapt and overcome a small obstacle!!
Any small machine shop could rework a shell holder in short order to fit these new Dasher cases.
I cant believe that there are no targets to see or results about load data and case life or case head strength,,,,most of these comments are worried about shell holder and rim dims....the metalurgy and case durability are what counts ,,, I am not going to load down to accommodate inferior brass,,,I dont want a Dasher that will shoot a 105 class bullet at 2700fps,,,,vel around 3000 fps is why the Dasher was concieved,,,lets shoot there with what ever powder charge it takes and see how they do,,,Roger,,,
CaptainMal
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I am just a normal "Joe". Don't even know where to find a machine shop, let alone what one might be able to do it. Bet it would cost $100's of dollars, lots of time and effort to find something like that, discuss the options, make up some kind of order and then wait until that machine shop could make and harden something like that.
Unreasonable.
Your suggestion is unacceptable.
As Shariz commented, the information in the system is not correct. He will probably change that. He is wonderful to have around.
It is a "small" obstacle. One solution is to junk the RCBS style presses and go with a Forster A-2 press with adjustable jaws. For a little more than $300 and the time to order and install ... That solution is also unacceptable for someone who thinks this is a hobby and not a lifestyle. Those in the business deal with it. Those of us on the bottom consumer end don't find it so easy or affordable. My fixed pension from retirement in 1999 tells me spending hundreds of dollars to design and build a shell holder is not acceptable.
I will wait the time for Shariz to deal with it for us peons. Bet there are more around than just me.
Unreasonable.
Your suggestion is unacceptable.
As Shariz commented, the information in the system is not correct. He will probably change that. He is wonderful to have around.
It is a "small" obstacle. One solution is to junk the RCBS style presses and go with a Forster A-2 press with adjustable jaws. For a little more than $300 and the time to order and install ... That solution is also unacceptable for someone who thinks this is a hobby and not a lifestyle. Those in the business deal with it. Those of us on the bottom consumer end don't find it so easy or affordable. My fixed pension from retirement in 1999 tells me spending hundreds of dollars to design and build a shell holder is not acceptable.
I will wait the time for Shariz to deal with it for us peons. Bet there are more around than just me.
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