Norma 6Dasher Brass

[wapiti25]

DT, send the two boxes of brass to me. Then it leaves room for you to put something in its spot. I have shot 20 rounds of the new brass and it looks like I can live with it.

 

[A Marsh]

A little more attention in packaging will be needed too. I'm sure the dented necks will be fine. I'll know just as soon as I get my shell holder so I can run them over the neck expander.

To be fair, I would have lost much more than this fire forming. This is out of a bag of 500.

Now that I have a 30-30 shell holder on the way, I'll have to get a 30-30.

 

[Shiraz]

A little more attention in packaging will be needed too. I'm sure the dented necks will be fine. I'll know just as soon as I get my shell holder so I can run them over the neck expander.

To be fair, I would have lost much more than this fire forming. This is out of a bag of 500.

Now that I have a 30-30 shell holder on the way, I'll have to get a 30-30.

Spook - that is unacceptable!

Call Lynsei at bullets.com in the morning and she will send replacements out for those. I'll start salting my whip for Norma!

 

[savagedasher]

There are variances in extractor claws. In other words, some have more space in them than others. I have honed extractor claws many times on my actions and taking off a few thousandths of an inch takes less than a minute and does not affect shooting performance one bit.

For those that cannot visualize it, when you close the bolt, the extractor claw (which is spring loaded) climbs over the rim and stays there until you pull the bolt open. Its only job is to climb over and grab the rim. When the rim is too thick, and you remove a few thousandths of an inch from the claw face, it does absolutely nothing to the performance, but does grab the thicker rim as well as the "thinner" rings that it was previously grabbing.

Having said that, for those not accustomed to messing with mechanical parts of a gun should have their gunsmith do it. It is not rocket science, but I have a brother in law that cannot tighten a nut on a bolt, but is good at other stuff.

Spook - that is unacceptable!

Call Lynsei at bullets.com in the morning and she will send replacements out for those. I'll start salting my whip for Norma!

Shiraz
My hat is off to you . Thanks
As far as washing dirty on here I think it is Wrong and Uncalled for . Larry

 

[A Marsh]

Spook - that is unacceptable!

Call Lynsei at bullets.com in the morning and she will send replacements out for those. I'll start salting my whip for Norma!

I just wanted you to know about it. Since you have been very active in this thread I knew you would see it. Knowing that you will look into it is enough.

I'll use the ones with dented necks for testing. They are not going to have an easy life I expect.

 

[EBaker]

Guess I need to send several pieces of brass to Whidden Gunworks to have a reamer and dies made specific to this brass or is there another option?

 

[R.Morehouse]

A different cartridge ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Sorry

 

[FatBoy]

I'm a little confused. This has been two years (maybe more?) in the making and I am surprised to see a few guys so vocal about their disappointed.

You guys are " Top of the Game" reloaders and shooters. You have been through how many iterations of custom reamers, dies, etc. Lot to lot powder gets tested by many here. I cannot believe any of you though this project was going to be plug and play with zero changes to your current setup and no additional setup effort..

Are their some things I wish were different? Sure, but like all things (especially new projects) their are going to be some things that need to be worked out. What really matters? Are we going to get the same brass life from this brass as Lapua? Is it going to be as accurate? Everything else is window dressing expect maybe the thick rims, which honestly isn't the end of the world. (Though I am asking Whidden if he can get Barnard extractors). I would bet in a couple months there will be shell holders, dies, etc all sitting on a shelf and this will all be a distant memory.

I'm still on the fence about setting up a barrel for this. I am hoping some of the guys with reamers are going to have some real data from barrel cut for this brass soon. Then I can make an apples to apples assessment. Until then I plan and watch, assembling parts and tools.

The joy of being early adopters....

Edit: this isn't aimed at anyone one particular shooter. Just a general observation/rant.

 

[DBLNUT]

I'm a little confused. This has been two years (maybe more?) in the making and I am surprised to see a few guys so vocal about their disappointed.

You guys are " Top of the Game" reloaders and shooters. You have been through how many iterations of custom reamers, dies, etc. Lot to lot powder gets tested by many here. I cannot believe any of you though this project was going to be plug and play with zero changes to your current setup and no additional setup effort..

Are their some things I wish were different? Sure, but like all things (especially new projects) their are going to be some things that need to be worked out. What really matters? Are we going to get the same brass life from this brass as Lapua? Is it going to be as accurate? Everything else is window dressing expect maybe the thick rims, which honestly isn't the end of the world. (Though I am asking Whidden if he can get Barnard extractors). I would bet in a couple months there will be shell holders, dies, etc all sitting on a shelf and this will all be a distant memory.

I'm still on the fence about setting up a barrel for this. I am hoping some of the guys with reamers are going to have some real data from barrel cut for this brass soon. Then I can make an apples to apples assessment. Until then I plan and watch, assembling parts and tools.

The joy of being early adopters....

Edit: this isn't aimed at anyone one particular shooter. Just a general observation/rant.

Well said!!

 

[joefrank64k]

Anyone have a line on in-stock GO gauges for 6 Dasher??

 

[Firefighter]

I'm impressed with my Norma Dasher brass. This is the first time I shot a Dasher, as i built two of them over the winter. 29" Kreiger, 1:8, 4groove, HV, , 31.5 gr. Varget, 105 Hybrid, 450 pr.,.020 off, gave me a <.500, clover leaf cluster group @ 200, my chronograph read 2950, no pressure signs, primers look good, no ejector marks, no hard bolt lift, should I stick with this load??

 

[Shiraz]

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Well, the 6mm Dasher brass from Bullets and Norma is here. What a joke!!! They should be ashamed of themselves. The quality control must have been turned off. Anyhow, here is what I have found out. The heads are .010 to long from extractor groove to base. This head has only been in existence since 1903 and Norma can't make one??? Do you believe that??? The head is to long, that makes the primer pocket .010 to deep. This can cause misfires or delayed fire if primer is seated to full depth. The standard shell holder doesn't work the standard primer shell holder doesn't work. the cartridge will not fit the chamber because head space is to long by .010 on the brass. So here is what Bullets has to offer. Use a shell holder No. 2. for sizing. Primer holder for a 30-30 win..(misfires!!!???) And buy a reamer to ream out your chamber. $149.95. If you don't want to do that, send them back and they will refund your money. This is from Bullets.com. After waiting all this time, what a cluster!! I asked if they plan to correct the problem in the future and they do not have any answer. The problem should be corrected by Norma and all the brass replaced to the customers. I do not believe these should be allowed on the competition circuit. Because of the chance of misfire or delayed fire. Yep, I'm not very happy!!! Bullets just call and said that Shiraz is working with Norma to correct the problem. But, no time table as to when they might have an answer. This is a quote form Shiraz when interviewed awhile back reports: “Normally, Norma has about 25 steps of quality control (QC) during the production process of brass. They told us that our first shipments will have almost 30 steps to make sure that the brass is absolutely flawless when it leaves the factory.” Maybe they should have went with the 25 step program!!!! I think that the head checker must have been step 31??? Or he may have been in the HEAD when these were made. Shame on Norma and Shiraz!!!! Money should be refunded or correct brass sent to customers. Brass at $109.95 plus $9.95 Shipping.

This is a bunch of hog wash!

1) The primer pockets are within spec, and within .002" of 15 different pieces of various new Lapua Br and Norma BR brass. You obviously did not measure the primer pocket depth before unloading over here.
2) A new reamer is needed and was no surprise as the necks are longer. This was discussed during this long thread earlier on.
3) If you read the previous posts I mentioned, at least two times, that Redding is making special shell holders for this brass and we even made some and shipped them out in the interim
4) We are NOT working with Norma to fix anything on this brass. I just checked with the phone operators and they were puzzled that some guy had posted they said something to that effect.
5) If you want your money back, send the brass back.

These are precise shooting components, and your gun is not some toy where you replace the batteries and continue playing! Loads will react differently, loading set up will be different, adjustments will need to be met.

 

[Kyle Schultz]

While I share everyone's disappointment, by no means have my feelings sunken to the level of anger.

The level of the community's disappointment is commensurate with the level of anticipation. And frankly, we, the shooting community, share some of the responsibility for the current disappointment. We were the ones begging/harassing Shiraz to make this brass appear NOW!

In retrospect, I'm sure Shiraz and Norma would have preferred the opportunity to make a small initial run and have it evaluated by some experienced shooters before the general release. Similar to what Berger will do with a new bullet. I'm pretty sure we didn't allowed them that luxury.

Let's not loose perspective. This is not the final sentencing of our souls to eternal damnation. This is a bump in the road of what ultimately is a hobby. I'm guessing many of you already have Dasher rifles/brass you are firing right now and can continue to fire. If not, you have other rifles/calibers you can shoot. All is not lost.

How 'bout let's just step back from the ledge, take a breath, and regain some civility.

 

[FrankG]

In reading this thread about the extractor grooves and not working with this or that bolt etc....

My 40X bolt which has the Dasher barrel on it chambers and extracts with no issues. I grabbed the bolt out of my Barnard Model P and the extractor goer over the rim just fine. I also grabbed the bolt out of my 1965 Rem. 700 and a bolt out of my vintage Savage 112V. All seem to work fine. Dave at work also has a Dasher built and he got his brass also but hasn't checked anything as of yet on his rifle. I'll post when he does.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[Chappy]

Well, the 6mm Dasher brass from Bullets and Norma is here. What a joke!!! They should be ashamed of themselves. The quality control must have been turned off. Anyhow, here is what I have found out. The heads are .010 to long from extractor groove to base. This head has only been in existence since 1903 and Norma can't make one??? Do you believe that??? The head is to long, that makes the primer pocket .010 to deep. This can cause misfires or delayed fire if primer is seated to full depth. The standard shell holder doesn't work the standard primer shell holder doesn't work. the cartridge will not fit the chamber because head space is to long by .010 on the brass. So here is what Bullets has to offer. Use a shell holder No. 2. for sizing. Primer holder for a 30-30 win..(misfires!!!???) And buy a reamer to ream out your chamber. $149.95. If you don't want to do that, send them back and they will refund your money. This is from Bullets.com. After waiting all this time, what a cluster!! I asked if they plan to correct the problem in the future and they do not have any answer. The problem should be corrected by Norma and all the brass replaced to the customers. I do not believe these should be allowed on the competition circuit. Because of the chance of misfire or delayed fire. Yep, I'm not very happy!!! Bullets just call and said that Shiraz is working with Norma to correct the problem. But, no time table as to when they might have an answer. This is a quote form Shiraz when interviewed awhile back reports: “Normally, Norma has about 25 steps of quality control (QC) during the production process of brass. They told us that our first shipments will have almost 30 steps to make sure that the brass is absolutely flawless when it leaves the factory.” Maybe they should have went with the 25 step program!!!! I think that the head checker must have been step 31??? Or he may have been in the HEAD when these were made. Shame on Norma and Shiraz!!!! Money should be refunded or correct brass sent to customers. Brass at $109.95 plus $9.95 Shipping.

This is uncalled for. Someone's parents obviously didn't raise them with respect, especially towards someone like Shiraz who put all this hardwork, effort, and time into providing the market with ready to go brass.

 

[KWeigel]

I don't see the issue. I will find a load made for this brass and shoot it. It will fireform. We all know people in the f class world shooting brass once or twice. I can't imagine not getting 6-8.

 

[stansrifles]

I don't see the issue. I will shoot a load made for this brass and shoot it. It will fireform. We all know people in the f class world shooting brass once or twice. I can't imagine not getting 6-8.

Good luck.

 

[bobeager]

Good luck.

Hey fellas, if your not happy with your new Dasher brass, put it in a box and ship it to us poor buggers in Australia. We starve for components. Also, toss in a few boxes of the .284 brass as well.

 

[Bmat]

Wow. 30 pages of posts. a lot of useful information, a lot of speculation, a bit of emotional whining. It's all hanging out there. I have never posted anything before but do love to shoot and do shoot the Dasher. I would like to see a thread consisting of only data from real world loading and firing of this new brass to include related equipment, tools, components and techniques? Is that possible?

 

[snowpro440]

A lot of entertaining drama here . I ordered 200 pieces and have checked several for fit in my shell holders...fit works well and also with my BAT action . I got a reamer on order now . Getting dies shortly if bullets.com will stock them ? Thanks shiraz....No problems here .