Nightforce Comps opinions?

[lukehalee]

Dusty,

I have had Leupold admit to problems before. Sent in a 2x7 that was moving a few inches at 100. They agreed. Also sent them two comp 45s. They said objective packs were loose on both.

Sent in March's before. Both to Japan and US service centers. They said they could not replicate my problem, but would change out some of the parts that could have contributed. I'm good with that. In talking with their US service guy, I really don't think that they believe that we can tell when a scope is moving .030" at a 100 yards.

I won't pile on the NF situation. Bought my first and last. Won't do business with a company that has no integrity.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I thought about testing that way a while back and find it difficult to believe that it will produce the same results. Plus I don’t like beating in my rifles with a hammer. Lol.

You will not duplicate the speed of force as a fired round using a hammer since your arm can’t move that fast. And how hard are you hitting it? Is it enough force to be the same as a fired round? You don’t know...
Plus you will not have the coupled effect of concussion from the muzzle blast. I think if you fired live rounds with stout loads in your testing you will probably see different results.

Agreed, I can’t fully simulate firing a round. The same could be said for a firing test with a smaller cartridge.

I am giving it a solid smack, similar to the amount of force the rifle hits me with when I free-recoil a WSM.

However, I was able to identify one scope that moved. In my world, it’s a win.

I would be hesitant to fire full power F-Open cartridges with 2 heavy scopes plus the test rig attached. The forces exerted on the rail would be extremely high.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Agreed, I can’t fully simulate firing a round. The same could be said for a firing test with a smaller cartridge.

I am giving it a solid smack, similar to the amount of force the rifle hits me with when I free-recoil a WSM.

However, I was able to identify one scope that moved. In my world, it’s a win.

I would be hesitant to fire full power F-Open cartridges with 2 heavy scopes plus the test rig attached. The forces exerted on the rail would be extremely high.

yeah it’s a ton of weight with the F&C rails and a 34mm tube high power optic weighing 36-38oz by itself not including rings and scope caps. Then add in my frozen 36x Leupold and rings for it as well. Testing on large magnum rounds is best using a receiver with an integral scope rail. Muzzle brakes help with recoil, but induce a whole lot more concussion blast effect to the optic which can move them just as easy as the recoil itself. Some optics are even more susceptible to concussion since manufactures do not test for that force. They call their optics “shock proof” but usually only test for recoil.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I wouldnt worry about the force on the rail. Most parts are expected to hold up to twice what we give them. Meaning if we run an action at 60K, most get tested to double that. If I broke screws with 2 scopes I wouldnt be satisfied with the design and would pin it or enlarge the screws. Plus an f open rifle doesnt recoil that bad. I honestly think you would be fine. I really think you need that muzzle blast concussion to test them.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

So if weight isn’t an issue, would the consensus be, between the Sightron ssedvv (or whatever), and the comp, the Sightron’s better? In the price range. Or nxs, does it have as good of glass as comp? Is that comp just a weight saver over nxs and nothing else? If all I’m gaining over my br models is side focus then......

 

[Ranger188]

To find out the scope you like the best, you will have to look thru them.
You could have 3 different people look thru the same scope and get 3 different opinions.
Have you read posts on scopes here? Everyone has their best.
You can choose between 3-4 and get a damn nice scope, but until you look
thru them, you won't have what looks the best to your eye..
I know sometimes thats not possible, and buying high end scopes can be expensive.

 

[hoz53]

So if weight isn’t an issue, would the consensus be, between the Sightron ssedvv (or whatever), and the comp, the Sightron’s better? In the price range. Or nxs, does it have as good of glass as comp? Is that comp just a weight saver over nxs and nothing else? If all I’m gaining over my br models is side focus then......

I wanted a comp over my 12x42 BR -- #1-- for the higher power 42 versus 55-- #2 -- better clarity-- but i wanted these things with rock solid POI if i was gonna pay that price. instead i bought an SIII 10/50 for 800. Still making up my mind on it. I dont think enough people have the new sightron yet to hear many opinions. The people do seem very happy with them. How good is one of them over my SIII--- i dont know- in the final analysis we pay our money and take our chances

 

[6MMsteve]

it must be quite a scope compared to the SIII 10/50 for the $ difference

night and day the ED glass is very good...you would be surprised

 

[Ledd Slinger]

@tom can speak on the Sightron ED glass if he wants to pipe in. He has an SVSSED and has owned/used just about every high power competition scope from March, NF, S&B, IOR, Kahles, Leupold, Trijicon, etc...

 

[KY_Windage]

So if weight isn’t an issue, would the consensus be, between the Sightron ssedvv (or whatever), and the comp, the Sightron’s better? In the price range. Or nxs, does it have as good of glass as comp? Is that comp just a weight saver over nxs and nothing else? If all I’m gaining over my br models is side focus then......

The Comp has ED glass, the NXS does not. It is not a huge difference, you have to look close to even see it, but the ED is a little better. Color rendition is certainly better, if that matters to you.

The Comp goes up to 55x. No NXS goes above 32X. The finest reticle you can get in an NXS is the MOART. It is very fine compared to many scopes, but not even close to being as fine as the FCR-1 reticle in the Comp. I could live with an MOART, but for long range I like the FCR-1 better.

I don't have a Sightron or a March or any other high-end scope. Once I got my first Comp I lost all interest in other brands.

 

[group therapy]

it must be quite a scope compared to the SIII 10/50 for the $ difference

its something else. on my time to use it I could see the 6mm holes at 600 (and no, the mirage hadn't kicked in yet!!!). the clarity and brightness are going to be hard to surpass, even at double the money. my first time at a big match with it, it agged 1.8" so poi seems to be good. for the price lance sells them at they are gonna be tough to beat!! ymmv

 

[group therapy]

night and day the ED glass is very good...you would be surprised

yuup!!!

 

[hoz53]

night and day the ED glass is very good...you would be surprised

thanks for that info

 

[hoz53]

yuup!!!

thanks, I will check them out.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

What are the price differences in the S5 Sightron with ED glass and the comp? Not msrp but what they are actually selling for.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

What are the price differences in the S5 Sightron with ED glass and the comp? Not msrp but what they are actually selling for.

Think they are about the same.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

The Comp has ED glass, the NXS does not. It is not a huge difference, you have to look close to even see it, but the ED is a little better. Color rendition is certainly better, if that matters to you.

The Comp goes up to 55x. No NXS goes above 32X. The finest reticle you can get in an NXS is the MOART. It is very fine compared to many scopes, but not even close to being as fine as the FCR-1 reticle in the Comp. I could live with an MOART, but for long range I like the FCR-1 better.

I don't have a Sightron or a March or any other high-end scope. Once I got my first Comp I lost all interest in other brands.

Would I be correct in saying then, that if you really have to look to see the improvements in glass from NXS~comp, then I’d really have to look to see improvements over my br models?

 

[tom]

@tom can speak on the Sightron ED glass if he wants to pipe in. He has an SVSSED and has owned/used just about every high power competition scope from March, NF, S&B, IOR, Kahles, Leupold, Trijicon, etc...

I'm not recommending anything ever again. I'm still looking for the perfect optic still, when I find it, I will tape off the print, and keep it a secret. Last time I recommend something, production went from 4 a year to 8 a year, and all of a sudden the optical quality was worse. Lol


Also it's kind of rude...Remer that saying "if you don't have anything nice to say......". Well, I'm still looking, but you'll often see me shooting vortex golden eagles or a older non high master March, or one of my remaining BR model nightforce.....All the while, I am still buying the occasional "high end/HD/ED, ect." optic, and more often than not am disappointed once the sun/lighting is "wrong".

Tom

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I'm not recommending anything ever again. I'm still looking for the perfect optic still, when I find it, I will tape off the print, and keep it a secret. Last time I recommend something, production went from 4 a year to 8 a year, and all of a sudden the optical quality was worse. Lol

Then just tell everyone you prefer Barska scopes. Lol

 

[KY_Windage]

All the while, I am still buying the occasional "high end/HD/ED, ect." optic, and more often than not am disappointed once the sun/lighting is "wrong".

Tom

I agree, that is the one complaint I have about the Comp -- if I have to shoot in very bad light the reticle gets very hard to see. When that happens I wish I had a an ATACR on instead, so I could just pop the illumination on. But then I'd be living with the extra weight and MOART reticle, which is not as fine as I prefer. Also, the ATACR at 35X is difficult to look through compared to the Comp at, say, 40X.

IOW, it would be nice if the Comp were illuminated. However, the low light situation happens infrequently enough that I just live with it.