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New Shooters..Giving good Pit Service

And Old shooters alike:

Sometimes I think that your fellow shooters dont understand how important good 5 to 10 second pit service is to the shooter. I see this all the time. Shot goes down Range. The target stays up and up and up and then it goes down.... stays down stays down, stays down And after 20 seconds comes back up.
If you have your poop in a group with a black and white paster on your hand or finger and have your hand on the carrier so you can feel the bullet pass through the Cardboard and at the same time watching the impact area if there is one, the second th ebullet passes through the target your pulling it down... Not 5 seconds later looking at the target. Granted alot of use have a ton of time in the pits doing this. Im a slow shooter but that does not mean I should get slow service.. I need that extra time sometimes.

Lets say your pulling for a National Champion like Danny Biggs or Jim Fowler, Eric Cortina. They have a good condition and your lolly gaging around inthe pit. YOu the pit puller could be the reason for a lost match or points in a match as sometimes it comes down to just x's.

I pride myself on good pit service. Its as important to me as shooting the match... Seriously. I NEVER want to be THAT guy. I can give 7 second pit service from the time the bullet goes through the target without killing myself at all.

Here is how I do it.
Standing square to my target facing it with both or one hand on the Carrier so that my joint of my fingers touch the metal in the grip. This allows the vibration of the passing bullet to tranfer to your inner ear and confirms with the sound waves swiping off the target going to both ears. If you stand sideways you dont get the Stereo effect and cant confirm left and right. Some times if my shooter shoots real wide on the target I can tell without looking. Standing facing the target is imprtant to confirm your impact. While standing facing the target you can look at your impact area intently. So three clues without looking at the dern target. Sound, Feel and Impact. Never have to look up unless your not sure or missed it.
I have a ribbon of black pasters in my belt loop or taped to the bottom of the carrier and have at least one on my index finger. Never have to go to the Bench or turn around wasting time while the targetis in the hole or down. Do this before the shooting starts. Mover the shot spotter paste the hole and move the value disk. Im right handed so the paster is on my Left index finger and pull the target down with both and hold with my left hand. Right hand head's for the spindle, shot spotter while the target is comming down. Remove /replace into new hole paste with left hand and move Value disk with right if needed. Or I can doo all of the spotter moving with my right hand if I use a Cantilever target that wont stay in the half mast position.
Run it back up while putting in the Value disk will give you a faster cycle time but not needed. if your on the ball.
This leads me to being ready for the (shit happens part) A dropped spotter or Value disk. I always have one extra on the bench directly behind me set out so i can see it and grab it without diggin for it in the pit can or under a sweat shirt. Blown Spotter. I try to keep a Small patch of Black duct tape handy. Slap it on there and run it up with a new shot spotter. Dont be messing around, It does not have to be perfect. YOucan prep for other repairs and ask for help on the next cycle if needed.

Recap. Stand Square to the traget, Have your pasters ready and be prepared with extra supplies, if dropped. No need to be fishing around on your hands and knees while the target is down in the pits.

Your Cycle window Starts the time the bullet passes through the target not when you decide to pull it down 10 seconds later...

Hope this helps. And dont be THAT GUY.
RussT
 
Sounds good. What do you do when you can't find a hole in the target and the target backer is so full of holes (some with old pasters that don't stick as well as they did when they were new) you can't make head or tail of which hole is the newest? :o
 
Lapua40X said:
Sounds good. What do you do when you can't find a hole in the target and the target backer is so full of holes (some with stickers the don't stick as well as they did when they were new) you can't make head or tail of which hole is the newest? :o
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Targets should be refaced after every match. If shooting Mid Range F-Class, where the center gets blasted, reface every relay, if necessary. This not only aids scoring and marking but is the right thing to do for the shooter. Russ is absolutely right with his rant above. Do not be THAT guy! I've dropped a lot of points to poor pit service. I've also managed to shoot a decent score in horrible conditions when I had a crazed pit monkey giving me 3-4 second service. I won't mention his name (Randy Pike) but his pit service is as good as I've ever seen. Be THAT guy! :)
 
+1 to everything Russ said. I on the other hand tend to be a very fast shooter if the conditions allow. If I have a good string going, I would like the target in the air. Like some, I keep the rifle in my shoulder as long as my position doesn't deteriorate so by the time the shot breaks, I open the bolt, replace the fired case and grab another one, all the while watching my spotting scope, I want to on the sights and prepping to fire again, to do this, the target needs to be in the air. It mentally take my concentration level down when an as Russ said, you wait and wait and.......This causes you to lose your mental focus and possibly your condition both of which are bad. I've even been to one range where I wasn't one of the regulars and I was always on relays 3 or 4. I give good pit service and only ask for the same in return. Unfortunately, when it was my turn to shoot, 30 sec. to 3 min. pit service was the norm. Guess what, I don't shoot there anymore!
OK, rant off,
Lloyd
 
Ill have to admit.. some times I can pull to fast if the score keeper isnt watching what the heck is going on. That can be a problem too. If the score keeper is distracted by that absaultly drop dead georges F class rifle of yours and not watching the target go down... That is as bad or worse than slow pit service. If Have a fast shooter who is poundin the X ring or the same spot in the ten ring you will get Up and downs. If it hits the spotter within a couple of bullet widths of the spindle its in the hole and back up. Shooter will say... Did he pull it and the score keeper will say with an uncertain tone...Uhhh I dont know? That is bad too. Dont be THAT GUY either.

Not on a Rant here by anymeans but just to point out to new shooters that your Pit service could bend the outcome of the match weather you know it or not.

Shoot well my friends...
RussT
 
It is almost as bad as the masters complaining because you are putting rounds all over the target when they are pulling. Actually making them work? How dare I? ;D
 
Yes Shame shame on you.. ;)

That brings up a good point. That does slow me down quite a bit if Im doing the Richard Simmons sweating tothe oldies form of target marking... Sorry your not going to get 5-7 second pit service if your shooting 5's out the top and then 8's out the bottom right... Makes me look like im reancting a scene from John Travolta's Night Fever....

9's 10's and X's No excuses...

RussT
 
You guys ain't seen nothing until a corporate lawyer pulls a target. Lol. We tried speeding him up nicely and that became a debate. I'll spare you the rest. He decided all that work wasn't his cup of tea and stopped coming. A target could not be finished in the time allowed at his pace, pretty bad.
 
lmmike said:
You guys ain't seen nothing until a corporate lawyer pulls a target. Lol. We tried speeding him up nicely and that became a debate. I'll spare you the rest. He decided all that work wasn't his cup of tea and stopped coming. A target could not be finished in the time allowed at his pace, pretty bad.

He was used to getting paid by the hour…. ;)
 
good discussion- here is another issue that I do not enjoy. If you have to "Really" look at a shot in order to give the shooter the higher value- give it to them.

If I have something really close and I want to confirm I will ask the puller next to me, but I want to give the benefit of the doubt to the shooter. I look at it like baseball, Tie goes to the runner.

If you need to find a plug for a shot, give it to the shooter.

I know not all feel this way, but like Russ has said this is the best way to keep a match moving. I shot with a shooter once at Perry who voiced is ABSOLUTE opposite opinion, you almost had to break the line to get the higher value and he wanted to plug all the time. You only plug is there is a challenge!

I will admit to not being the fastest target puller out there, but it really is NOT hard to give 8-10sec service if you are prepared like Russ mentioned. Help the pullers around you too.
 
this posting should be a sticky so it's always at the top.

It amazes me how some can shoot for 15 years or more and not figure this stuff out and how important it is.
 
What realy sucks it to be pulling for a shooter on fire, giving him good pit service, and he nails his spotter spindle....looks like a grenade hit. Then it breaks his stride..
 
broncman said:
What realy sucks it to be pulling for a shooter on fire, giving him good pit service, and he nails his spotter spindle....looks like a grenade hit. Then it breaks his stride..

It does happen. I like Russ's suggestion of having a precut square of black duct tape at the ready for this problem.

Key is watching the berm like a hawk. Talk all you like but watch that berm!

Pit service is part of the match, give it the same attention you gave to your loading and shooting.
 
Best topic I have seen on ANY forum lately. Precise and quick pit service can never be stressed enough. I personally take great pride in the quality of service I provide in the pit, and am baffled by the routine I see exhibited by even some veteran shooters. Some people, in my opinion, will just not put forth the pure physical effort it takes to run a target efficiently. Their sense of urgency is non existent. I believe that only those of us who are wired this way will provide the type of service we hope to receive. I rarely, if ever, get the quality of service that I provide, and have come to accept that as the norm. Life is not fair, neither is pit service. Rant over................
 
I know that I am probably in the minority but I rather enjoy working in the pits when my turn comes. And I agree with what Russ said above, good pit service is a must. I was at a big match recently where a fellow was telling another guy in the pits that if you could get it done in 18 to 20 seconds that was good enough. I almost lost my composure. Personally I do my best to give as good as possible, and that means 4 to 7 seconds max...As long as I'm not having to do the dancing monkey gig with shots all over the place.

So great post Russ!
 
Let's also not forget our other job, scoring. We have three jobs during a match: shooting, scoring, and pulling. Try to do your best at all of them. I was pulling for Nik at Coalinga last November. He was shooting fast, so I pulled as fast as I could. His scorer missed several shots because of target speed and inattention. Pay attention when scoring, that's the only thing you should be doing.
 
I pull targets as if I were the one shooting. Then it sucks to be the one shooting and you get on fire with a condition and target status up or comes down and stays down for 30+ seconds then comes up an X. Makes me mad actually. You would hope some shooters aren't giving bad service to try to help themselves out

Steve good point there. Had a scorer miss 2 shots and then told me me I had few shots left and I had to tell him I was finished and go back and determine what I shot on those few shots
 
Speaking of scoring.. I was told if you can not figure out what shots were missed you must give the shooter x's for the missed shots, is that true? Also how many shooters keep their score themselves ie a plot sheet?
 
After experiencing some ups and downs with novice shooters , I insist that the score is called and confirmed as soon as the target comes up. I see this as my responsibility for my scores also. We all lose alot of points to these things and I don't like complaining after the damage is done or during my string because of the distraction. I won't take my eyes off the conditions to plot and shouldn't have to if my team for the day has it together. I try to have a talk about it before the shooting starts to head off these problems.
 
I completely agree with having fast service and doing the job correctly when your in the pits. However, we as shooters need to do our part as well. I have seen numerous veteran shooters cry, stomp, throw fits, and complain like a little kid because their pit service is to slow for there liking. Also those veterans seem to always scream at the line marshal as if it's his or her fault. I don't care how many championships you have won. This behavior is uncalled for.

Also sometimes what we think is 20 or 30 seconds is not always the case.

KT
 

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