New Rule Requires Firearms Dealers to Disclose Buyer Information to Government

[shoot4fun]

So I want to ask you an honest question because I really want to know and I don't know the answer. So I sold a carbine rifle in Ohio at a gun show. Apparently after nearly a decade it was used in some kind of crime and was confiscated. And the police sent me a letter as the original owner asking me if I wanted it back.

Now I ask you, how did they know I was the original owner?

It's called a back trace IIRC. The LE agency contacts the manufacturer. The manufacturer provides LE with where the firearm was shipped (IE name of the distributor). The distributor looks at their records for THAT firearm only and will provide the dealer's name/info. LE then contacts the dealer and requests they provide info on who purchased that firearm. Then they go about finding info for contacting you.
Now, you say you sold it at a gun show in OH. Then you say they wanted to know if you wanted it back which, in my eyes, makes me think they think it was stolen from you. It also tells me the buyer in OH never reported stolen OR may have been the one who used said firearm in commission of a crime.
If you weren't an FFL holder or didn't reside in OH when you sold to an out of state buyer.......well.....
I won't slide down the slope any farther.
It has long been my experience when working with ATF as either an FFL holder or manufacturer representative that they do not go looking for trouble but act on any that requires them to do so.

 

[Ernest T]

So basically a carry permit in Texas, is less intrusive, requires less information, and easier to obtain than a drivers license.

No its not. They don't finger print you for a DL, nor do you get a background check.

 

[Dgd6mm]

So I want to ask you an honest question because I really want to know and I don't know the answer. So I sold a carbine rifle in Ohio at a gun show. Apparently after nearly a decade it was used in some kind of crime and was confiscated. And the police sent me a letter as the original owner asking me if I wanted it back.

Now I ask you, how did they know I was the original owner?

That firearm could have been sold 2-3-4 times in a decade and or stolen from lawful owners. Then quickly crossed state lines. Plenty of different scenarios you can make up in your head. Slippery slopes, ha.

 

[dellet]

No its not. They don't finger print you for a DL, nor do you get a background check.

I don't know if you have looked at what it takes to get a drivers license if you have never had one, but it's not so easy any more.

Generally a criminal background check, mostly looking for outstanding warrants, drunk driving convictions and such from other states that might deny you a license.

Thumb prints instead of finger prints.

If the License is also "real ID compliant" there are the Fed standards.

Apply for a Texas Driver License | Department of Public Safety

www.dps.texas.gov

Honestly not sure which would be easiest to get.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Generally a criminal background check, mostly looking for outstanding warrants, drunk driving convictions and such from other states that might deny you a license.

Thumb prints instead of finger prints.

If the License is also "real ID compliant" there are the Fed standards.

You don't pay child support, they pull your license and tag your pay check AND can tag your checking account.

 

[shortgrass]

I don't know if you have looked at what it takes to get a drivers license if you have never had one, but it's not so easy any more.

Generally a criminal background check, mostly looking for outstanding warrants, drunk driving convictions and such from other states that might deny you a license.

Thumb prints instead of finger prints.

If the License is also "real ID compliant" there are the Fed standards.

Apply for a Texas Driver License | Department of Public Safety

www.dps.texas.gov

Honestly not sure which would be easiest to get.

I had to produce a state certified copy of my birth certificate for a 'real ID', my "original" SS card, too,,,, if i remember correctly. Even though the state already knows all about me,, I left OK to go to GS school in NC, when I returned to OK 5yrs later, and went to change my DL back to OK, the driving examiner pulled me up in 2 minutes. That was in '96, and tech has certainly advanced since then.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

You don't pay child support, they pull your license and tag your pay check AND can tag your checking account.

Wait until the new digital currency where they can turn it off with a mouse click and you cant buy a gallon of gas.

 

[xswanted]

Hasn’t this been a thing for years?

I had numerous instances over the years I worked in the industry selling guns where I answered a phone call from the ATF asking about information on a denied gun form.

I always thought it was a legit thing to do.

It seems that if a person was denied there was probably a good reason.

If there wasn’t a legitimate reason I had a number of customers that had a UPIN to solve that problem.

I didn’t read the whole thread so I’m guessing I’ve missed something.

 

[CT10ring]

My local guy in Texas keeps telling me that I should get a CCW so I won’t have to go through the paperwork. To get a CCW, I read I have to get fingerprinted, photo, etc. This gives me pause. Who gets those records? It seems more intrusive than filling out the 4473. We have Constitutional Carry in Texas, so.......

When I moved to ID, I went to my local LEO - county Sheriff, paid $20 fee, was fingerprinted, pix.
15 min. I had my CCW permit in the mail in 10 days. Having it made future gun purchases fast, and likely easier for the FFL transferring dealer. I don't see a downside?

 

[ebb]

What Dusty is saying is true. But when the clinton administration pushed state and locals to pass a law that made FFLs have a storefront, many could not comply, and their FFL was taken. When this happened, the ATF took the hardbound copy from the FFL and all of these records have been in the ATFs hands since climton started making his own rules instead of letting congress make rules like the founding fathers intended. What i have a problem with is, ATF and Eric Holder decided to prove that American guns were the cause all that is evil and concocted Fast and Furious, about a year ago Biden left hundreds of thousands of guns and many more dangerous weapons of war in Afghanistan. How is it they have proven they can not be trusted with weapons but they are telling me how to take care of mine and NONE of mine have been misplaced or left

 

[4xforfun]

Didn't read the 3 pages of posts....but.....knowing I have them and actually taking them away from me are two TOTALY DIFFERENT THINGS. My county sheriff, who I am friends with, TOTALY AGREES!!!

When the time comes.....STAND THE HELL UP!!! Untill then, take a friend out shooting and enjoy life!!

Tod

 

[drop_point]

So I want to ask you an honest question because I really want to know and I don't know the answer. So I sold a carbine rifle in Ohio at a gun show. Apparently after nearly a decade it was used in some kind of crime and was confiscated. And the police sent me a letter as the original owner asking me if I wanted it back.

Now I ask you, how did they know I was the original owner?

First, they contact the manufacturer. The manufacturer states where it was disposed; likely a distributor who recorded which dealer it went to. The dealer must maintain a copy of that 4473. They just follow the trail and would know you were the first individual owner--at least this is how they do it if they are following the law. It's called "running a trace".

 

[Dusty Stevens]

^^ this is why they want these private sales to go thru an ffl. Once a gun is sold privately the trail ends.

 

[Toddmack]

With a ccw permit in most states you do not have to have a nics check, so they have no idea you even attempted to buy a gun or actually bought 150

You are 100 percent correct. I am "the" guy the gets delayed with every gun purchase.
I'm also the guy that doesn't want to get fingerprinted for a suppressor or SBR, event though I've jumped through the hoops of establishing a trust to get my first suppressor. I'm basically just thick skulled a dummy!
I realize my flaws and hopefully someday can overcome them. I hope!